getting overtaken at pinchpoint while in primary..

[Tharg2007]

..Annoying? YES!



having cyclist follow you shining a 3w high power LED, a niterider minewt on flash and a high power tactical strobe into your rear view mirror for the rest of your journey clearly teaching you a lesson... Annoying? How would I know

 

[potsy]

Nice one pal

 

[gaz]

Classic!

 

[Tynan]

how can you be overtaken at a pinchpoint when in primary?

and harassing and trying to dazzle another road user?

I hope I don't get that driver tomorrow, granted they'e in Manchester

 

[Tharg2007]

how can you be overtaken at a pinchpoint when in primary?

While in primary car speeds up and overtakes, then squeezes in, simplez.

and harassing and trying to dazzle another road user?

yep

I hope I don't get that driver tomorrow, granted they'e in Manchester

im sure there's another one out there where you are

 

[gbb]

While in primary car speeds up and overtakes, then squeezes in, simplez.[/COLOR

Ive tried to say this before in discussions about taking primary...some people see it as a cure all, making you absolutely safe. But sometimes when you get an idiot driver, it can actually put you in a worse position.
You cant control 100% what someones going to do...unfortunately.

 

[BentMikey]

Ive tried to say this before in discussions about taking primary...some people see it as a cure all, making you absolutely safe. But sometimes when you get an idiot driver, it can actually put you in a worse position.
You cant control 100% what someones going to do...unfortunately.

I don't think this bit is correct. I don't recall anyone saying more than primary is a way of playing the odds, of reducing the chances of the driver behind doing something stupid.

That'll still leave the occasional idiot driver who will do something stupid, and that brings us to the second thing wrong with the above. Primary doesn't leave you in a worse position, it means you now have the space to correct for the idiot's mistake.

 

[Tharg2007]

Primary doesn't leave you in a worse position, it means you now have the space to correct for the idiot's mistake.

this is true, when the idiot started cutting in, by this time virtually at the pinch point, I was all ready, giving me time to drop my speed a bit and move left enough not to get knocked off but also not as much to let all the other cars follow said idiot.

 

[Tharg2007]

i was doing them a favour, they were obviously oblivious to my presence so I was just making them aware, you know for safety.

 

[Cab]

Two wrongs don't make a right

You're right. But of course life isn't black and white; a dangerous overtake is one thing, riding pointedly behind someone is another. One is, I'd have said, far more wrong than the other. So while two wrongs don't make a right, a second, lesser wrong can make for an amusing anecdote

 

[Tharg2007]

there really wasnt any real danger , i looked after myself on their dangerous overtake , then they joined slow moving traffic, and i mean slow.

 

[gbb]

I don't think this bit is correct. I don't recall anyone saying more than primary is a way of playing the odds, of reducing the chances of the driver behind doing something stupid.

That'll still leave the occasional idiot driver who will do something stupid, and that brings us to the second thing wrong with the above. Primary doesn't leave you in a worse position, it means you now have the space to correct for the idiot's mistake.

The actual word i used is can put you in a worse position...not will.

The thing ive learned in this forum is you can make a statement and it will be read as gospel by some less experienced cyclists.
The only point i'm making is to less experienced cyclists, that primary can come with it's own dangers. I think for a less experienced cyclists safety, its a point worth making.

As always, nothing is absolute, the myriad of possibilites that can happen in any position in the road means that you cannot absolutely, beyond doubt, control what another driver does.
My experience was taking primary on a country road when i sensed a car coming from behind, a car oncoming...and we're all going to meet at the same point. Pity the driver didnt agree and pushed through at 30-40 mph'ish, within 2 inches of me.
Some will say you didnt take the correct position then, but short of stopping, measuring the width of a car with a tape measure, then measuring the distance from...you get the point

You can still make the right judgement, but it can still go wrong sometimes.

Yes, being in primary gives you the space on the left for avoidance...but in my case, by the time i'd even had time to think, due to the cars speed and proximity to me, it was past me anyway Avoidance space is only any good if you've the time to use it.


Dont get me wrong, primary should be encouraged for ones safety....i would never dispute that, but for the sake of less experienced cyclists wishing to develop their skills...it does occasionally bring you closer to conflict.

 

[Crankarm]

Ive tried to say this before in discussions about taking primary...some people see it as a cure all, making you absolutely safe. But sometimes when you get an idiot driver, it can actually put you in a worse position.
You cant control 100% what someones going to do...unfortunately.

+1

 

[Crankarm]

I don't think this bit is correct. I don't recall anyone saying more than primary is a way of playing the odds, of reducing the chances of the driver behind doing something stupid.

That'll still leave the occasional idiot driver who will do something stupid, and that brings us to the second thing wrong with the above. Primary doesn't leave you in a worse position, it means you now have the space to correct for the idiot's mistake.

Not my impression. On here some use it as means of criticism and putting other riders down. The reality is that they would likely fair no better if they had been in the said same position confronted by a psycho.

 

[killiekosmos]

I have 2 pinch points on my route to work 100m apart. Most cars follow me through, some pass in between and a few try to go through with me. Recently I'ce adopted a 'primary +' position, in the middle of the pinch point so I cannot be overtaken there.