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ComedyPilot

Secret Lemonade Drinker
On my way home I approached a junction where I turn right. To describe the road, it is a single carriageway 30mph limit downhill approach, bending to the left with a T junction to the right.

As I rode down the hill into the 30 limit there was no traffic behind me. I signal right and move to the centre of the road (hatched markings) opposite the junction. There are a few cars travelling towards the junction from the opposite direction, and turning left (up a slip road without indicating).

As they are doing this I cannot turn right for fear of getting collected by one that might actually be carrying on on the road I am on.

As I am there I see an artic coming towards me and the junction. Most cars that have passed could have slowed down and allowed me to cross, but didn't. As this truck approached I saw the last thing I wanted to see, an artic approaching from behind. I was now stood astride my bike, arm outstretched to the right, rear lights flashing, bright cycle clothing and in daylight, and worst of all, smack bang in the middle of the hatching. The two trucks basically passed me simultaneously. I was in the 4-5 foot gap between them.

I know I could have stopped to the left, and cross the road as a pedestrian, but in my village vehicles do not stop to allow people to cross. If they see you edging for a gap they accelerate to close it, leaving you stood at the side of the road for up to 10 to 15 minutes before a sufficient break in the traffic (both ways) allows you to cross.

I have no problem with people driving through my village, but surely a competent and safety conscious driver would see a vulnerable lump of flesh stuck in the middle of the road, and think to let them cross?

causes of this:
a) my impatience to turn right, and poor road positioning, I should have held up the traffic behind by being in primary. (as I approached there were no vehicles behind me for 500m)
;) selfish, speeding drivers turning left off the main road with no indication, making it impossible for me to make the turn.
c) drivers with no regard to their surrounding (village, built up area, vulnerable road users wanting to cross)
d) trucks that could have stopped to create a safe opportunity for me to do the turn, instead of making me possibly the most scared person in East Yorkshire for 5 seconds.

I know I did something wrong, and in future will turn right sooner, hold traffic up behind to do it, and walk along the verge to cross the junction.

But, and this is where you come in, what should I have done, what would you do?

Thoughts?

My own are mixtures of my anger at my own stupid impatience and anger at the selfish twots blindly turning left up the slip road at speed (in a 30) with no indication. They always do it, and cannot see what a consequence of their inaction could be. Also, was it really necessary for two 38ton artics to basically sandwich a cyclist in the middle of a road, just to save the 5-10 seconds of journey time it would cost them to allow me to cross?
 

graham56

Legendary Member
As you say CP you`ve been very lucky to get away with that one by the sound of it, we all learn by our mistakes. I bet it`s something you never try again though. Pleased you came away unscathed.
 

Plax

Guru
Location
Wales
I'd be inclined to not hold up traffic behind, especially as you say there was nothing behind you at the time. Many drivers probably won't expect to see a cyclist stopped in the middle of the road and not react until last minute. Imagine this applying to the artic behind you!
 
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ComedyPilot

ComedyPilot

Secret Lemonade Drinker
Part of the problem is, that most vehicles speed and drive close to the car in front, don't indicate their intention to turn left, I have a right hand out to warn both directions of traffic my intentions, was stood astride the bike, so not the best position to be in to rock and roll. Trust me I couldn't point the bike towards the junction, traffic behind would catch my back wheel, and traffic coming towards would get the front.
 

jonny jeez

Legendary Member
Blimey CP, your starting to worry me, that's like twice in one week isn't it.

Take it easy fella, if your not happy to take primary etc etc...then dont, you'd be more dangerous to yourself doing it with a lack of confidence.

Just chill and take your time, or keep riding past the junction, dismount and cross, then come back (sod the delay..better to make it late than not at all).

Do aything rather than taking a position that scares you thus putting you in danger.

Regardless of what others may think..if you were unconfortable in that gap then you're right, you shouldn't be there...dont try to ride like anyone else suggests, just ride how you are comfortable and confident.

I've come over all paternal

PS..not to try and scare you but on a recent driving course I took I was told that country roads (semi rural) are the most dangerous road to drive on. They have much less accidents but far more fatalities (something like 200%) what with the speed of the roads and the lack of local (immediate) assistance.

A crunch on the M1 is all cleared up withinn minutes ....out there you can lie in a ditch for hours.

Take care CP
 
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ComedyPilot

ComedyPilot

Secret Lemonade Drinker
I am actually a very confident cyclist, and the road behind me was clear. A hedge to the nearside obscures the view into the village, making it hard to assess traffic levels. As (bad) luck would have it, traffic towards me was heavy as I got to the junction. The point the slip road goes off is 50m from the point I turn right. At 30mph, a vehicle will get to my point in 3 seconds.

Given that most people drive less than 2 seconds behind the vehicle in front, and don't indicate turning left up the slip road, there is no way of going for a gap, as there wasn't one.

This is where a competent and safe driver would recognise the scene and slow down and allow someone to cross. I was left high and dry, and as (bad) luck would have it (again) two trucks happened to pass at exactly the time I was marooned.

I have turned right in my car at exactly the same place, and the difference is I hold traffic up behind me. I think oncoming traffic see this and signal for me to cross, allowing traffic to flow. Something that didn't happen tonight for me on a bike.
 
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ComedyPilot

ComedyPilot

Secret Lemonade Drinker
Plax said:
I'd be inclined to not hold up traffic behind, especially as you say there was nothing behind you at the time. Many drivers probably won't expect to see a cyclist stopped in the middle of the road and not react until last minute. Imagine this applying to the artic behind you!

This isn't a dig at you, Plax.

I just wonder what people drivers expect to see in a 30mph limit village?

Personally, 30mph and into a village means houses, houses mean people, people might want to cross, children, dogs, slow moving traffic ice cream vans.

What I don't think is that I can drive at speed and NOT expect to have to encounter ANYTHING.
 

purplepolly

New Member
Location
my house
User3143 said:
imo you are making a mountain of a molehill. 4-5 feet is more then enough for two artics going the opposite way to each other.

4-5 feet is what, at most 1.5 feet (18 inches) on either side of the handlbars. Hardly a huge margin for error there. Especially as many drivers of larger vehicles seem to forget how long the vehicle is an cut in far too soon.
 
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ComedyPilot

ComedyPilot

Secret Lemonade Drinker
User3143. I know you drive for a living, and my post is not a dig at truck drivers.

I am merely a little miffed at the selfish and potentially dangerous impatience of a lot of drivers, not to allow a cyclist to cross a road in a village.

I tried to cross in the village pulling my daughter in a trailer last bank holiday weekend, and gave up due to the constant stream of lemmings going to the coast, not willing to look further than the end of their bonnets, and most definitely not willing to let a cyclist cross - child trailer or no child trailer. I ended up backing up, riding along the (empty) footpath further into the village before holding my hand up to signal for somone to stop. Even then a dozen or so SPEEDED up so I couldn't cross?????
 

Bman

Guru
Location
Herts.
I would have held up the traffic behind me.

I would position myself in the right hand side of the left lane. About a foot or two to the left of the hatchings (signalling). If the oncoming traffic prevent me turning right, then the traffic behind me will have to wait. There might be enough space for smaller vehicles to squeeze *slowly* past me to the left, but a HGV wouldnt have enough room so would have to stop.
 

jonny jeez

Legendary Member
ComedyPilot said:
I am actually a very confident cyclist, .


Glad to hear it (it wasnt a dig, I just got the impression that you were in some way imitating a position that was suggested, rather than "Owning it")..sounds like a case of terrible timing and bad fortune....good job you know what you are doing, can you imagine the effect that would have on an inexperienced rider.

However my last comment on the dangers of rural roads is worth considering. You have first hand knowledge of just how fast traffic travels out in the sticks (as do I) and even a very observant and considerate HGV driver can still reach a fair speed ...completley legally..that will leave you in a wake of turbulance on an open rural road.

I look forward to hearing about tomorrows near miss safe jounery in
 
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