Good Old Hampshire Constabulary

[Pale Rider]

, im used to having to gather as much info/evidence as required in short time frames whilst in confrontation situations, so not really a difficult task. The phonetic alphabet is second nature to me now.

This, and your narrative, makes you sound like a pretendy copper.

Real coppers instinctively react against such people, which I think goes some way to explaining their attitude to your complaint.

I'm not criticising you, it's just an observation from my experience of dealing regularly with the police over many years.

 

[Nigeyy]

While I agree she should have been more careful and it was wrong for her to pull out, I think it could be an easy situation for her to make that mistake given your speed and profile. It also appears from the video (and I say this because sometimes videos can be misleading) that you were approaching a hazard too quickly. I also don't think you should have undertaken if you could have avoided it (at least given the situation and the apparent speed you were going).

Again, that's what the video gives me -there's no way I would have been close to 30mph in that situation with cars at the left and right (personally, I'd want a bright light and more lateral movement to even think of approaching at that speed, and even then, I wouldn't!). Yes, theoretically you were in the right, but I think cycling is more about being safe than right (at least for me) and you have to do your best to be aware of other road users visual vantages and likely behaviour. Comments from the police? I can't say I agree with them, though they have a point that if you were slapping the car, you could have braked more and possibly avoided the undertake.

Kudos for posting the video to be open to criticism as well -and I'd take all the comments posted and analyze them, and see if there is anything you can take from them -at least try to have an open mind..... And safe cycling out there!

 

[Kookas]

Yeah, your brakes need replacing. Even rim brakes should be better than that. I was doing 20+ mph whilst filtering once, still managed to stop in time when I saw a car pulling out through the traffic a dozen or two metres down the road.

 

[downfader]

I reiterate - most of you here dont know that hill and I do think you're acting "big" to fit in with the crowd. There are many riders here who naturally average a speed above 15mph.

What we have here in reality is
-a driver who failed to look,
-failed to give way to a vulnerable road user heading down a steep hill where their braking will be harder
-if any of you can stop on a dime as you suggest on such a steep descent then you're breaking the laws of physics.
-talk of filtering is irrelevant - that type of driver pulls out regardless (I've had issues with the very same junction and nobody else on the road)

There comes a point when we have to say the driver should be acting the more responsible party due to the danger they can put others in. Defensive riding is fine, but again irrelevant.

 

[jarlrmai]

Like I've said before the FPS camera footage makes you out to be in a lot of peoples eyes to be a dick no matter what happens. Even people who you might expect to understand, won't, there's something deeply psychological behind it.

In hindsight everything looks easy to avoid.
Shouting, swearing and reactively slapping cars with adrenaline pumping and flight and fight kicking in looks odd and aggressive against what appears to be a passive car after the fact. It can almost look like you are shouting at nothing.
Speed looks slower and distances look further on cameras.
Shouting the numberplate, seems to be another trigger also, even more if you say it in the phonetic alphabet.

 

[downfader]

Like I've said before the FPS camera footage makes you out to be in a lot of peoples eyes to be a dick no matter what happens. Even people who you might expect to understand, won't, there's something deeply psychological behind it.

In hindsight everything looks easy to avoid.
Shouting, swearing and reactively slapping cars with adrenaline pumping and flight and fight kicking in looks odd and aggressive against what appears to be a passive car after the fact. It can almost look like you are shouting at nothing.
Speed looks slower and distances look further on cameras.
Shouting the numberplate, seems to be another trigger also, even more if you say it in the phonetic alphabet.

Good post.

Their own confirmation bias kicks in. They're used to a projected "reality" of camera cyclists thanks to the media, and in reality its no different to the preconceptions others have about cyclists as a whole.

Find the outgroup, denounce it regardless of the evidence, and you'll slot nicely in with the in-crowd.

 

[Big Nick]

Perhaps I was a bit premature crediting the OP with taking the observations of other cyclists assessing the video on board!!

If you genuinely believe you handled this situation/hazard in the best way possible that's concerning

 

[Origamist]

Perhaps I was a bit premature crediting the OP with taking the observations of other cyclists assessing the video!!

If you genuinely believe you handled this situation/hazard in the best way possible that's concerning

The OP has not posted since Friday - you must be telepathic if you have reason to reassess your earlier view.

 

[jarlrmai]

Emergency braking at 30 down a hill is not something to take lightly. Brake too hard and you'll lose control.

Looks to me like the goes past the car to avoid going into the rear, there's also worrying about what is behind you with no mirror or brake lights.

Gaz once posted a video where he was doing a pretty high speed on the flat down a busy town road and a van pulls out on him he had to brake pretty hard, I don't remember anyone giving him shoot for his speed.

 

[400bhp]

Good post.

Their own confirmation bias kicks in. They're used to a projected "reality" of camera cyclists thanks to the media, and in reality its no different to the preconceptions others have about cyclists as a whole.

Find the outgroup, denounce it regardless of the evidence, and you'll slot nicely in with the in-crowd.

Utter bollox

 

[400bhp]

Downhill - come on.

Even more reason to be covering the brakes.

 

[gaz]

Emergency braking at 30 down a hill is not something to take lightly. Brake too hard and you'll lose control.

Looks to me like the goes past the car to avoid going into the rear, there's also worrying about what is behind you with no mirror or brake lights.

Gaz once posted a video where he was doing a pretty high speed on the flat down a busy town road and a van pulls out on him he had to brake pretty hard, I don't remember anyone giving him **** for his speed.

This one, Stopping from 25mph in the wet in less than 10 meters takes some serious skill.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFx_NWVEs-A

 

[glenn forger]

Your recent attempted left hook's scarier gaz, the one where you use Bad Words.

 

[Big Nick]

The OP has not posted since Friday - you must be telepathic if you have reason to reassess your earlier view.

My mistake.....I'll reassess my reassessment of my original assessment

 

[gaz]

Your recent attempted left hook's scarier gaz, the one where you use Bad Words.

To me not so much, I saw that one coming and wasn't going as fast. Still needed to stop quickly but I had disc brakes and it was dry.
Going faster, in the wet and stopping with rim brakes was certainly a much more change of pants needing experience.