Good time to buy a diesel?

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Dan B

Disengaged member
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38170794

The Family B needs a new car - specifically, one with three sets of Isofix points in the back so we can put three child seats in, because we are soon to have three children. Apparently it's no longer considered OK to pop them in the boot as we used to when we were young. This poses a problem because most of the cars so equipped are ugly SUV-style behemoths which we hate. The nearest we can find to "acceptable" is the Ford S-Max, except for the minor nit that 98% of all those ever sold have been diesels. And in 2016 buying a diesel seems to be putting us ever so slightly on the wrong side of history.

Intended use: its number one role will be to sit in our allocated parking space depreciating quietly, and get wheeled out from time to time for visits to grandparents and other relatives who live in faraway places that we can't easily reach by train. Although with a babe in arms as from April, the set of places we can't easily reach by train has probably just grown drastically.

What do you reckon? I suppose there's no immediate problem here at least in that Paris, Mexico City, Madrid and Athens at least can all be reached by train (or plane) - indeed, Paris at least really should be reached by train - but if this is indicative of a more general trend ...
 

Broadside

Guru
Location
Fleet, Hants
We've got a Galaxy for the same reasons of car seats, it's the same as the SMax apart from a different boot.

It depends on the age you are buying. There are lots of petrols around since 2010 when DPFs became essential for the Euro 5 regulations. The petrol Ecoboost models are getting quite popular now. If I was buying again I would search for a petrol.
 
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User482

Guest
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38170794

The Family B needs a new car - specifically, one with three sets of Isofix points in the back so we can put three child seats in, because we are soon to have three children. Apparently it's no longer considered OK to pop them in the boot as we used to when we were young. This poses a problem because most of the cars so equipped are ugly SUV-style behemoths which we hate. The nearest we can find to "acceptable" is the Ford S-Max, except for the minor nit that 98% of all those ever sold have been diesels. And in 2016 buying a diesel seems to be putting us ever so slightly on the wrong side of history.

Intended use: its number one role will be to sit in our allocated parking space depreciating quietly, and get wheeled out from time to time for visits to grandparents and other relatives who live in faraway places that we can't easily reach by train. Although with a babe in arms as from April, the set of places we can't easily reach by train has probably just grown drastically.

What do you reckon? I suppose there's no immediate problem here at least in that Paris, Mexico City, Madrid and Athens at least can all be reached by train (or plane) - indeed, Paris at least really should be reached by train - but if this is indicative of a more general trend ...

Congratulations! Apparently, the VW Touran has three isofix points and is available with petrol engines (thus avoiding the Diesel gate issue). It's between the C-max and S-max in size.

Alternatively, how critical is Isofix? The point of it is to make it harder/ impossible to fit a seat incorrectly: a correctly fitted seat using the belt is no less safe.
 

Drago

Legendary Member
Son-in-law has a petrol S-Max.The turbo has been changed recently at silly money. Front tyre wear is dreadful and last no time (geometry has been checked numerous times). Nice comfortable car and well built
Oddly enough, one of my SAR colleagues has - to my eye - a very nice Galaxy diesel, and the turbo has just been changed on that for silly money.

New blowers cost silly money, and care not what engine they're bolted to when it's time to get the wallet out.
 
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Dan B

Disengaged member
Why not buy a small car and find a friendly hire company for those rare occasions when you need the behemoth?
The "rare occasions" are "every time we need to get all three children in the car". Apart from those occasions, we don't need a car at all (we have a Christiania for short trips and we have London's public transport network for longer-but-still-local trips), so we could actually go one step further and not buy the small car in the first place
 
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Dan B

Disengaged member
Alternatively, how critical is Isofix? The point of it is to make it harder/ impossible to fit a seat incorrectly: a correctly fitted seat using the belt is no less safe.
True, although the presence of three isofix fittings is a pretty good proxy for "the car is wide enough to get three rearward-facing seats in the back", which might actually be the real requirement and is probably almost as limiting
 

Andrew_P

In between here and there
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38170794

The Family B needs a new car - specifically, one with three sets of Isofix points in the back so we can put three child seats in, because we are soon to have three children. Apparently it's no longer considered OK to pop them in the boot as we used to when we were young. This poses a problem because most of the cars so equipped are ugly SUV-style behemoths which we hate. The nearest we can find to "acceptable" is the Ford S-Max, except for the minor nit that 98% of all those ever sold have been diesels. And in 2016 buying a diesel seems to be putting us ever so slightly on the wrong side of history.

Intended use: its number one role will be to sit in our allocated parking space depreciating quietly, and get wheeled out from time to time for visits to grandparents and other relatives who live in faraway places that we can't easily reach by train. Although with a babe in arms as from April, the set of places we can't easily reach by train has probably just grown drastically.

What do you reckon? I suppose there's no immediate problem here at least in that Paris, Mexico City, Madrid and Athens at least can all be reached by train (or plane) - indeed, Paris at least really should be reached by train - but if this is indicative of a more general trend ...
If you mean because they are depreciating faster than Petrol I would think in future budgets Diesel owners are going to get shafted with VED and duty at the pump, which might add to depreciation so bargains but much increased running costs.

Cannot do this justice but my sister bought a Galaxy big engine one without realising it was somewhere n the region of £40 a month in VED...
 

threebikesmcginty

Corn Fed Hick...
Location
...on the slake
What about a vauxhall Zafira, years ago we bought a 3 year old petrol one for £4k when it's new price had been £14k. You could seat 5 and there's 2 more seats in the boot if required. It was a decent bit of kit for what it was.
 
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User482

Guest
True, although the presence of three isofix fittings is a pretty good proxy for "the car is wide enough to get three rearward-facing seats in the back", which might actually be the real requirement and is probably almost as limiting
All three kids need to go in rearward facing seats?
 

rich p

ridiculous old lush
Location
Brighton
Thread resurrection!
I've got rid of my old (diesel) van due to a badly failed MOT and rather than get another, and have 2 vehicles, I want a bigger car and have been looking for secondhand estates.
Particularly a Skoda Octavia or a Mondeo. The trouble is, as @Dan B has pointed out, 98% of them are diesel and I don't really want to buy a diesel.
And they're not knocking them out cheap either.
Tricky issue to solve.
 

KneesUp

Guru
Honda Accord - because Honda has a reputation for excellent petrol engines and for being bought by old gimmers, a decent proportion of them were sold as petrol.
 
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