Grumpy people think more clearly!
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Crankarm
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.......I don't believe it!
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summerdays said:
Perhaps being a brilliant decision maker means these days that you can make "big" decisions very quickly. I am very slow at making decisions, of any importance, because I would like to be in full command of the facts, or as many facts as are possible to command.
The speed at which we are encouraged to live, gives little time for full consideration of all the pros/cons. Perhaps someone who can make big decisions quickly is someone who does not feel the need to have all the facts at hand.
Furthermore, and this is only a suggestion, those same people who make quick, and therefore sometimes, wrong, decisions, do they feel less guilt when faced with the consequences of a bad decision. After all, can they justify their decision by saying "Well, no one else could decide, so I did".
In a nutshell, they make bad decisions because they are acting with haste. Some of us think more about our decisions and actions, and this process of reflection makes us unhappy.
Should I join in some threads in P & L now? 
No, because by the time I have composed my response, any thread has moved on considerably. 
I do often read P & L though.
darkstar
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The World is not the thing to blame, its a wonderful, diverse and beautiful planet, it's the humans of whom inhabit it that ruin it. Too much violence and suffering, but surely a happy, up beat mood would only help matters? We are the fortunate people, we live a comfortable life, so whenever i see someone complaining about their life in this country, i just think they should have perspective!Speicher said:The people who do not take time to think, about their actions or the consequences of their actions, they are the jolly/"happy" ones, because they do not see the world as it really is.
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Yes, Darkstar, you are right. I was referring to the people in the world, rather than the planet. It is often other people who try to make us live in a fast-moving world.
Fab Foodie
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Speicher said:Perhaps being a brilliant decision maker means these days that you can make "big" decisions very quickly. I am very slow at making decisions, of any importance, because I would like to be in full command of the facts, or as many facts as are possible to command.
The speed at which we are encouraged to live, gives little time for full consideration of all the pros/cons. Perhaps someone who can make big decisions quickly is someone who does not feel the need to have all the facts at hand.
Furthermore, and this is only a suggestion, those same people who make quick, and therefore sometimes, wrong, decisions, do they feel less guilt when faced with the consequences of a bad decision. After all, can they justify their decision by saying "Well, no one else could decide, so I did".
In a nutshell, they make bad decisions because they are acting with haste. Some of us think more about our decisions and actions, and this process of reflection makes us unhappy.
Should I join in some threads in P & L now?
No, because by the time I have composed my response, any thread has moved on considerably.
I do often read P & L though.
Oh Spiecher, I completely agree with you.
I'm the grumpy member of the household. Mrs FF is the more even keeled and much the quicker decision maker and 'actioneer' of things. She'd rather make the decision or get it done regardless of whether it was a good decision or the right thing to do...
Me: "Well that's not right, or I'll have to re-do it"
Her: "Well at least I've done something"
Me: "Well what's the point of wasting energy over something that's done wrong just to say it's been done and will need more effort to correct/redo/undo..."
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FabFoodie, yes, I like your shortened version of my version.
I don't think we should reach the conclusion the grumpy people are deeper or 'bigger' thinkers though. That's a solace of self praise that we perhaps don't deserve!
If I'm doing something, I have a tendency to try and think of as much as I can that might impact on the task (or the purchase). So it's a bit of a slow process, and it still requires decisions. I just flatter myself that I make more informed decisions! This is, of course, nonsense.
When is it that you have considered enough? When are you informed enough to make a decision? How much do you need to know? You really can't answer those things (except perhaps in hindsight!)
So I reckon we make a decision about when to make a decision. We say to ourselves 'yes, I've considered enough now'. What we're actually saying is that we feel comfortable with making a decision. We just reach a point when we take a big breath and say 'that one'. It's not really anything to do the things we've considered, we could still make a 'wrong' decision. And I reckon that's the nub of it - we can obsess about making the 'right' decision.
Decisions are necessary. So who is to say that the person that makes the quick decision is not the better person to be making them. Perhaps they're just less concerned with it being the 'right' decision and happy to accept more-or-less any workable solution. Yes, happy.
Perhaps grumpiness is not anything to do with thinking. Perhaps it's more to with the 'doomed to failure' approach of trying to get things right all the time. Perhaps happy people wisely accept it doesn't really matter (to quote Vic & Bob!)
If I'm doing something, I have a tendency to try and think of as much as I can that might impact on the task (or the purchase). So it's a bit of a slow process, and it still requires decisions. I just flatter myself that I make more informed decisions! This is, of course, nonsense.
When is it that you have considered enough? When are you informed enough to make a decision? How much do you need to know? You really can't answer those things (except perhaps in hindsight!)
So I reckon we make a decision about when to make a decision. We say to ourselves 'yes, I've considered enough now'. What we're actually saying is that we feel comfortable with making a decision. We just reach a point when we take a big breath and say 'that one'. It's not really anything to do the things we've considered, we could still make a 'wrong' decision. And I reckon that's the nub of it - we can obsess about making the 'right' decision.
Decisions are necessary. So who is to say that the person that makes the quick decision is not the better person to be making them. Perhaps they're just less concerned with it being the 'right' decision and happy to accept more-or-less any workable solution. Yes, happy.
Perhaps grumpiness is not anything to do with thinking. Perhaps it's more to with the 'doomed to failure' approach of trying to get things right all the time. Perhaps happy people wisely accept it doesn't really matter (to quote Vic & Bob!)
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summerdays
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Problem is I think this thread has reversed itself... I was saying that as a less grumpy person I wasn't good at making decisions meaning that I umm and ahh for ages, hating the fact that in choosing one thing I'm saying no to something else. Whereas many of the grumpy camp are saying they ponder long and hard on decisions not making snap ones.
So perhaps the research is wrong - happy and grumpy people can find making decisions difficult. Or that my brain is trying to tell me that I'm not in the happy camp and instead am a closet grumpy
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So perhaps the research is wrong - happy and grumpy people can find making decisions difficult. Or that my brain is trying to tell me that I'm not in the happy camp and instead am a closet grumpy
.summerdays said:
That's not a problem! That's what threads do!
I'd agree with your conclusion. Happiness/grumpiness is not about how much you think OR thinking doesn't necessarily lead to grumpiness, depending on which way around you want to look at it.
Sure, interrelated (like most things in life) but not cause and effect.
That's what my thinking was exploring anyway. But then I like thinking, it is exploring - walking around a huge park noticing things you've not considered before!
Jasper the Surrea
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Grumpy people make quicker decsisions because they easily dimiss the views of others as being of no relevance. I know I am right on this one, no argument...
Speed is essential for the grumpy lifestyle. There is a lot to be grumpy about in a day so it is necessary to move on to the next grump ASAP. I set myself a grumps-per-day target. It takes dedication and a degree of training but it is well worth it.
Speed is essential for the grumpy lifestyle. There is a lot to be grumpy about in a day so it is necessary to move on to the next grump ASAP. I set myself a grumps-per-day target. It takes dedication and a degree of training but it is well worth it.
