Harriers v Cyclists

Discussion in 'Cyclocross (CX), Duathlon and Triathlon' started by Richard A Thackeray, 23 Oct 2017.

  1. Saturday 18th November
    Registration at Bradford & Bingley Sports Club
    Wagon Lane
    BD16 1LT
    (OS 104) SE 115 382


    Start at the usual location, adjacent to the Leeds-Liverpool Canal, at Dowley Gap


    £8 entry (on the day only)
    Partially marked course. Over 16s only
    5.5 miles/650 feet of ascent

    A great race, good fun
    Various sections favour both groups
    The winner is not a foregone conclusion, that said, I've been there when Robb Jebb has shown up, as has Alistair Brownlee (both are members of the organising Club)

    'Previous Form'

    2007; 82nd/97 @ 54:16 (ride)
    2008; 134th/149 @ 54:16 (ride)
    2009; 66th/129 @ 48:12 (run)
    2010; 63rd/146 @ 47:08 (run)
    2011; DNF (run, but branch in eye, so abandoned)
    2013; 136th/207 @ 49:44 (run, but, lingering unfitness, from Plantar Fasciitis didn't help!)
    2014; 110th/230 @ 50:27 (run, course re-routed slightly)
    2016; 179th/245 @ 54:23 (run)

    I think I'll be happy to scrape under the hour, given injuries/lack of fitness

    The route.................
    Routes. 'Harriers verses Cyclists'.jpg

    The film..................
    Last edited: 25 Oct 2017
  2. amasidlover

    amasidlover Veteran

    I'm pondering doing this; I've done quite a lot of fell racing, lots of mountain biking when younger but no CX races and only a few off road rides on my Whyte Dorset - any thoughts on whether I should run or ride?
  3. Running.......

    You'll gain at the start hill (my thoughts, on my experience)

    Lose time, on the farm track, to the bikes (horrible on the feet, concrete 'sleepers')
    This was on the 'back' (it's used in both directions)
    2013. Harriers v Cyclists. 2.JPG

    Gain time at the bridleway (compulsory carry, for bike)
    Gain time, climbing the quarry, past the Mill Dam

    Lose time along the top of Shipley Glen (venture onto the road, & any competitor is axed)
    Climbing up to Baildon Moor is faster on foot

    Maybe faster circumnavigating it on foot
    Descent is faster on bike.... BUT..... there are drainage ditches either side of the road
    Eroded sections downhill can cause both groups issues (feels steeper returning)

    Your call.........................

    MTB v CX

    CX lighter to carry (MTB more awkward, with smaller frame/rear suspension in way?)
    MTB has better gearing spread? (but if you need bottom gear, faster to carry?)
    Fatter MTB tyres, may spread load

    Either bike choice, the first couple of fields are generally boggy (ankle + depth!), so you may not be able to even pedal properly!

    Same cycling Club for me, in all bike pics, just a new kit design/colours

    There are washing facilities afterwards (Leeds - Liverpool Canal)
    Cycling. Cyclo-Cross. 2007. Cyclist verses Harriers. 13.JPG

    Oh!, & last year, I saw my old friend Richard
    I've been wanting to do a repeat shot, every time I see him
    Yes, that was my Pace Research RC100, I'm leaning on

    Circa 1991 - 1992
    1990s. Mountain Bike. Bingley. St Ives Estate.jpg

    Still a good rider, but tends to run more nowadays
    Bingley Harriers, like the Brownlees & Rob Jebb
    2016. Harriers v Cyclists. 2.jpg

    Unlike some races 'number 1' is not reserved for the previous winner
    I was simply the first to sign in, both years

    2014, on the top of Shipley Glen
    2014. Harriers v Cyclists. 1.JPG

    2016, returning
    2016. Harriers v Cyclists. 5.jpg 2016. Harriers v Cyclists. 4.jpg
    Last edited: 25 Oct 2017
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  4. amasidlover

    amasidlover Veteran

    I think you've sold me on running it!
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  5. FRA kit requirements may be enforced on the day, as I think it's under their rules (take it if you still have it - possibly at least a windproof top)

    Fell shoes, are definatelty the way to go, I have seen runners in road shoes, but..... they appear to find out the error of their ways
    If nothing else, fell-shoes dry out quicker, & hold less water

    I use either Inov8 Mud-Claw 330
    Kit. 2010. Inov-8. Mud-Claw 330. 3.jpg

    Or, their X-Talon 212
    Kit. 2015. Inov-8. X-Talon 212. 1.JPG

    On the bike, in 2008
    Cycling. Cyclo-Cross. 2008. Cyclist verses Harriers. 3.jpg

    Edit @ 12:00
    We pass through this, or adjacent to it, via a modern opening gate
    The gorgeous 'BirdCage Gate'

    The Dam
    Last edited: 25 Oct 2017
  6. amasidlover

    amasidlover Veteran

    I've got full kit although never been inspected yet!

    Currently racing in Norman Walsh fell shoes but they've seen better days so I'd been wondering about some X-Talon 212s when they finally fall apart.
  7. 212's are certainly light than the Mud-Claws, hence the name
    If the course involves any tarmac, or such surface, the 212's are better, as the pyramidical studs of the MC put less rubber in contact with the ground, & wear easier
    (the 212 studs are flat to start with)
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  8. Decided against it, as I feel far too unfit, & had a pain in the left knee after running to work on Thursday (& a bit sore walking up stairs, at work, during the day)

    Oh well!!!
  9. amasidlover

    amasidlover Veteran

    Me too; although it was more decided for me by my parents coming over to visit and my eldest son having a scouts swimming gala... I'm pondering Kirkby Moor next week but can't persuade the family they want a day in the lakes in November!
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  10. Found this, via a FaceBook feed

    Both got top-10 places, so both are damned good!
    Last edited: 6 Dec 2017
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  11. YukonBoy

    YukonBoy The Monch

    Inside my skull
    I remember riding the Pennine bridleway years ago. On one uphill a running event was going on. The runners overtook as we span away. As the gradient eased we speeded up, overtook them and left them on the descent. This would be great fun.
  12. Another local-ish running club; Denby Dale AC have two races that are good fun
    1. Between Christmas & New Year, they have a 'Man v Bike'
    That's circa 10 miles for the bikes, & 6 for the runners
    Routes converge/diverge

    I've run it three times (I think), & beaten the bikes once, placing 3rd (from memory) & beating the first bike by a couple of minutes
    I can't find a map for it, & there's nothing on the club website either
    Maybe they've stopped organising it?

    2. Beat Badger (or sometimes 'Outrun Owl')
    They're a race the train event
    The runners ride to the far terminus (Shelley), and walk to a pre-arranged start
    The engine blows the whistle from the overlooking viaduct, then it (& we) set off

    I've seen it at the intermediate station, but not beaten it home
    That said, it depends on who's driving, & how heavy they are on the User!!! (& it has a falling gradient back to Clayton West)
    I've had a couple of top-10s, out of maybe 50 entrants

    2013. Beat Badger. 8.JPG 2013. Beat Badger. 22.JPG 2013. Beat Badger. 28.jpg
  13. Giving 'HvC' a miss this year, too lardy to even make it up the first hill from the start
  14. Milzy

    Milzy Veteran

    Looks fun, I do miss my old running shenanigans & the friends I made. However running is like watching an old Black & White TV set then you ‘get’ cycling which is like a new 60 inch QLED UHD television set in comparison.
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