Has anyone ever handed their keys back to the bank?

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Sandra6

Veteran
Location
Cumbria
As some will know we own an apartment, it's been on the market for over 2 years with various degrees of interest but we just can't seem to sell it.
We've dropped the price. We've agreed to get work done before completion, short of offering to do their laundry every week I don't see what more I can do to make somebody buy it.
So we thought we'd go down the rental route. But the bank want to increase the mortgage -to more than we'll get in rent!!
Call me picky but I don't fancy that option.
The only thing left to do -other than keep on paying the mortgage for the next 20 years until it's paid off then hanging the keys on the nearest lamppost - is give it back to the bank, isn't it?
Any helpful - or just amusing - suggestions welcome.
 

screenman

Squire
If you handed the keys back they would market it and sell it, they would then chase you for any difference owed. They would likely sell it for less than you can, every thing sells if the price is right, just that what is right may not be what you need.

Where is it, what is it, how much etc. tell us you never know where a buyer may come from, do not keep it a secret. How often have you changed agents, 6 weeks with the same one is the max in my mind.
 
It is very common for people to rent out their houses but not tell the lender so you stay on the present mortgage and present rate.

The figures are the key. If you owe £100k and are trying to sell for £120 then keep dropping til you find a buyer.

The handing back the keys thing was for if you owe £100k but the market price is now £90k. But as mentioned above it is not a magic wand, they will still chase for the balance. It is only an option if you really have no other money or equity.

It is quite common but tends to be with flats that somehow managed to find buyers at way over the market rate. While other property has tended fair a bit better, flats have been hit hard. I have just acted in a purchase at £144k where the seller bought it 5 years ago at £178k. Generally around here most property has maintained its price over that period.
 
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Sandra6

Sandra6

Veteran
Location
Cumbria
It's a high street property in Wigton, cumbria. First floor, private entrance, 3 double bedrooms, 15' living room, 12' dining room. Original floor tiles and windows (not necessarily a selling point!) I would link to the estate agent but they've not got it on their website for some reason. There's another phone call I need to make!
We bought for £70k, we were about to sell it for £54k, which would cost us just short of £2000 to clear the mortgage left on it.
My son is living in it at the moment, he's entitled to housing benefit if we can convince them we're not scamming them. Honest we're not! Hence the need for permission from the bank.
We have gone through 3 estate agents and one auction company,costing us a couple of thousand in fees already. We're no sale no fee at the moment, and it was being marketed as sale or rent until the last offer came in, was accepted and then withdrawn!
 

Brandane

The Costa Clyde rain magnet.
I was often tempted to do just that; hand the house keys in at the bank and walk away. The place is unsellable and needs a load of work done to it; work that I cannot afford to get done. The staff at the bank were very good the last time I tried to hand the keys in; they took the time to explain to me that I had actually paid off the mortgage a few years ago, and sent me home.
 

Spinney

Bimbleur extraordinaire
Location
Back up north
Have you tried looking for a different mortgage company who would let you rent it out without putting the repayments up?
Not wise to rent it out without the bank's permission - they could decide to foreclose if you are breaking the terms of your mortgage, I think.
 

Pale Rider

Legendary Member
Three double bedrooms is a lot of room, so would it divide into two flats?

Perhaps one for son and another for rent/sale, or any permutation that suits.
 

ASC1951

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
It's a high street property in Wigton, cumbria. First floor, private entrance, 3 double bedrooms, 15' living room, 12' dining room. Original floor tiles and windows (not necessarily a selling point!) I would link to the estate agent but they've not got it on their website for some reason. There's another phone call I need to make!
Indeed you do. There is nothing on Zoopla, for instance, and there should be. But I would resist the temptation to keep chopping and changing estate agents: first, it's expensive; second, buyers notice these things and assume you are desperate to sell; and third, the reason it isn't selling is probably because there are precious few buyers around, not because you or the agents are doing anything wrong.
We bought for £70k, we were about to sell it for £54k, which would cost us just short of £2000 to clear the mortgage left on it.
You can always sell a property at a price, just not a price that is sensible. If you put it in an auction without reserve, it will undoubtedly sell, but that would be hugely risky when the OMV is already less than the mortgage. But handing it back to the bank is even worse, because that is exactly what they will do and with little incentive to limit their losses. So you would end up paying the shortfall anyway, plus their inflated fees.
My son is living in it at the moment, he's entitled to housing benefit if we can convince them we're not scamming them. Honest we're not! Hence the need for permission from the bank.
My inclination would be to rent it out and if your son cannot get HB let him find somewhere else to live and get a different tenant. You would need to go through it with someone from the bank who actually knows what they are talking about, not just a counter-chimp or an advice line - IME banks will charge an eg extra 1% on the mortgage rate but only apply their unrealistic rent/repayment ratio when you are after a buy-to-let proposition, not in your circumstances. And I would be prepared to battle it out with them, because IIRC the FCA takes a dim view of banks refusing permission to let just so that they can get the fees and higher interest rate from swapping you to a different type of mortgage. Which bank is it, BTW?

You could just not tell the bank anything, but there are risks in that strategy. And if you do, you must at least get proper landlord's insurance and eg gas safety certificates, otherwise you could find yourself in a much bigger hole than you already are.

I don't think it's a question of having to hang on until you have paid the mortgage off. Wigton like many northern towns has had its property market battered in the last four or five years, and it could be a almost as long until values rise to repay your £70,000. But all you really need is for things to pick up until you are able to clear the mortgage, which is likely to happen before the next election because HMG always tries to engineer a modest rise for the voters.
 

rich p

ridiculous old lush
Location
Brighton
Move it to Brighton and sell it for £275K
 

spen666

Legendary Member
@Sandra6 As others have said on here, handing the keys back is possibly the worst option.

Legally you own the property.

You owe the building society the sum secured on it.

As people have said on her:
a) handing back the keys does not release you from the obligation to continue to make monthly payments until the sum borrowed (including interest costs etc) are paid off
b) all the bank will do if you hand the keys back is sell the property as fast as possible, no doubt at a very low price.

You will be charged handsomely by the bank for all their costs in connection with the sale ie lawyers, estate agents, surveyors, admin fees etc. These costs will be far more than if you sold the property yourself.

The bank will then pursue you for the shortfall on the sale proceeds AND their costs. There will be interest charged on this. This whole sum will be due immediately, unlike the mortgage that is payable by installments.

Handing back the keys is not an option that I would recommend.


The hard thing is to accept how low you may have to go to get rid of the property. It is better though that you do not have to take a low price AND get stung for the banks costs etc




You have my sympathy
 
Location
Northampton
I have the experience of buying and selling and renting several properties. There are some basic rules that you need to follow.

Never trust or listen to the advice given by a Bank. Your interest and their interest is different.
Same is true for Estate agents.
Same is largely true for Financial advisers.

I do my own financial research and take my own decisions. I can give you some suggestions if I have all the figures. I am bit confused. Let me get this clear.
According to info you provided, you were happy to sell it for 54K and that will leave you 2K short of your mortgage.
Therefore I assume that your current mortgage stands at 56K. Is that correct?

If you get an interest only mortgage at around 4.5% , it will give you a repayment of just about £250. I am sure you can rent a 3 bed home for that amount in any area
If you are not able to do that there is a problem is my calculation.
If you are uncomfortable in revealing details in this thread, PM me. with following info.
Current mortgage amount, interest rate and value of the house and what is likely rent.
 
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