help my french!

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Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
Just speak slowly and clearly in English. If it appears they don't understand then repeat at twice the volume which normally does trick. Most French people now speak good English so they have no excuse not to understand ;) .
 
One trick to use is to watch films in french and see how much you understand.
This will get your ear used to the language.

Don't most dvd's have a french sound track on them ??
 

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
the great thing is not to panic.

Start off with 'bon jour' or after 5 pm 'bon soir'.

basic vocabulary is your first need, forget the fancy tenses and all that stuff your best friend is

'je voudrais..' = 'I'd like..' followed by whatever you want, e.g. 'le camping'.

When asking directions

droite is right and gauche is left but tout droit strangely is go straight on!

having received the info you want

'merci, au revoir' thank you, good-bye.

I have been converting a barn in France for several years and I still don't understand my neighbour very well but we get on fine anyway.

Good post. I've been to France half a dozen times in the last 6 years, always with others more competent in the language than me, and I'm gradually getting the confidence to ask for stuff myself, to the point where I could imagine going alone and getting by. My French is not 'correct', and relies a lot on the equivalent of 'me want cake please', but with plenty of smiles, and self deprecation, people seem happy to make the effort to understand. This last time, by listening carefully to the phrases my friends used to explain our trip, and then parroting them, I was able to chat to a few people independently. And I even made a joke! We pitched into a little supermarket for some dinner supplies, having ridden through some torrential rain. The owner asked if he could get us anything, and I said in French, yes, a big towel! A rather poor joke, but we all laughed. On the way out, I apologised for the 'flooding' we left behind as we dripped round the shop. I'd seen 'inondable' on road signs, not known what it meant and looked it up, and it stuck.

The thing I find is that I may be able to ask a question, but not to understand the answer - so speaking very basically may help there. If someone can clearly hear that you are foreign and speaking only basic words, they are perhaps more likely to speak slowly back to you. I gather that if you struggle to understand someone speaking fast, you can say "doucement, s'il vous plait", which means 'gently please'.

A phrase book/dictionary is good, and you can also get a thing called a Point It book, which is lots of pictures you can point at to signify foods, parts of the body, types of vehicle etc. And of course works for all languages.

Oh, and if you're cycling through anything smaller than a big town, be prepared to say bonjour, or nod to, everyone you pass - especially in small villages.
 

andym

Über Member
Where exactly are the lastminute.com freebies? I've just been to look on their website and can't find anything, but maybe I'm being a melon.

Your best bet is to either use iTunes or the App Store app on your iGizmo.

The company that produced them is called coolgorilla. They also do apps for Samsung and Nokia as well as a paid-for app for iPhones (I don't know whether this is different from the lastminute.com apps or whether it's the same app for sale in the US).

If you make even a poor fist of it they will work out that the empty water bottles ....

An empty water bottle is very likely to be met with an offer to fill it.
 

andym

Über Member
You learn a few phrases and get quite good at saying them, but can you undestand the response you might receive?

Well perhaps, sometimes - but what are the alternatives?

- learn the language. Well yes, but even if you speak a few, one day you are going to end up somewhere where you don't speak the language;

- speak English? Well a lot of people do - but equally a lot of people don't. Arrive in a Spanish village in the afternoon and the only person around is a scaffolder - what are the odds he will speak English?

I think there's a definite skill to surviving in an environment where you don't speak the language and most people you meet don't speak yours. this was one of the things I found interesting/admirable about Alistair Humphreys trips. If anyone has any hints or tips it would make an interesting (new) thread.
 
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hubbike

Senior Member
Thanks everyone. think that has given me the survival basics...

I have spent the last 11 months in South America so my spanish is ok. can't be arsed to learn a whole other language:biggrin:

Andym...it would indeed make a good new thread...I seem to remember AH used flashcards with a picture of what he wanted and got chinese folk to write the symbol on the back. whenever he was in a restaurant he would pick something at random and if he liked it, copy the word and ask for it elsewhere...

generally I think body language, smiles and pointing go a long way!
 
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hubbike

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kirstie's thread was super useful so here it is for those who've searched their way here...

https://www.cyclechat.net/
 

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
generally I think body language, smiles and pointing go a long way!

Frankly, that's true even if you do speak the language! Maybe not the pointing, although bear in mind that even in English, you can be perplexed if someone offers you a barm cake, and you know it as a roll.
 

andym

Über Member
, you can be perplexed if someone offers you a barm cake, and you know it as a roll.

If you go to Nottingham a roll is a roll, a few miles north it becomes a cob or bap. But twent miles further north, in Sheffield, if you ask for a cob instead of a bread cake you'll get a blank look.

But are you sure ' barm cake' isn't a way of calling someone a looney?
 

yello

back and brave
Location
France
There's some figure or other somewhere (there usually is) that suggests verbal communication only accounts for around 30% of understanding. The rest coming from context, body language, etc etc. Certainly, my experiences would suggest there's something in that.

Having reached an ok-ish level of French now, I find I often understand the replies I'm getting... but don't quite know why! I couldn't repeat back exactly what the person has said, not word for word, but I've caught some of it and that's been enough (along with context etc) to determine the reply.

The main thing is not to panic. Not to try too hard to understand. Just listen and rely on your brain to do it's thing. If you attempt to listen for each word and translate then I reckon you're stuffed. Just go with it.
 

Penfold

New Member
Got these few translations off a 15 year old school girl that is a pupil at my daughters school...Daughter teaches English and believe it or not the school are making the French kid take A level French (Useful. NOT!)

Is there a campsite nearby?
Y a t'll un camping tout prés?


Is there a pedal cycle repair shop nearby?
Y a t'il une boutique de réparation pour velo tout pres?


Do you mind if we camp here? We shall kleave in the morning and take any rubbish away with us.
Est ce que sa vous derangerais si nous campons ici? Nous partirions dans la matiné et nous appeorterons toute nos déchets avec nous.


We had half a dozen more off her but they were specific to our charity cause and route direction. Phrase number two came into use quite quickly :-)
 
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