hi-viz gone mad....

[GrumpyGregry]

It's not binary though is it.

feels fairly binary to me.

if, however, folk feel differently and want to wrap themselves in flouro on the basis of 'if x may x might x maybe = greater safety for them' then I'm relaxed about that, until I have to look at them, and won't go around shouting 'placebo' or 'comfort blanket'. Everyone is entitled to their faith system and if someone else's cult involves wearing flouro vestments I'll live and let live.

Helmets make you safer too don't they?

 

[gaz]

feels fairly binary to me.

if, however, folk feel differently and want to wrap themselves in flouro on the basis of 'if x may x might x maybe = greater safety for them' then I'm relaxed about that, until I have to look at them, and won't go around shouting 'placebo' or 'comfort blanket'. Everyone is entitled to their faith system and if someone else's cult involves wearing flouro vestments I'll live and let live.

Helmets make you safer too don't they?

 

[Jezston]

feels fairly binary to me.

If it were that binary (as in, well, actually binary) then lights wouldn't make a difference either.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

If it were that binary (as in, well, actually binary) then lights wouldn't make a difference either.

Do we have a dataset that demonstrates they do?

They may make a difference. As may flouro. As may dressing like Ronald MacDonald or cycling around with a replica of the Needles lighthouse on your head. Is the difference they make discernible and if discernible, is it big enough?

I think not. YMMV.

 

[400bhp]

Do we have a dataset that demonstrates they do?

They may make a difference. As may flouro. As may dressing like Ronald MacDonald or cycling around with a replica of the Needles lighthouse on your head. Is the difference they make discernible and if discernible, is it big enough?

I think not. YMMV.

So, you believe it is binary then?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

So, you believe it is binary then?

see #124

 

[400bhp]

see #124

I did:

#121 - your words appear to make out that you believe it is binary

#124 - you say it's fairly binary, suggesting that certain factors are material enough not to make it binary

#127 - your response suggests that you believe that the other factors are immaterial such that we are dealing with a binary situation.

You have a way with words

 

[GrumpyGregry]

I did:

#121 - your words appear to make out that you believe it is binary

#124 - you say it's fairly binary, suggesting that certain factors are material enough not to make it binary

#127 - your response suggests that you believe that the other factors are immaterial such that we are dealing with a binary situation.

You have a way with words

well why don't you just pick one for me seeing as it seems so important to you.

 

[400bhp]

#121
#124 #127

Argument like a pack of cards :blow:

 

[GrumpyGregry]

#121
#124 #127

Argument like a pack of cards :blow:

I bow before the stream of hot air you :blow:

Argument :sucks:

 

[400bhp]

No argument from me - I'm just trying to understand your divided mind.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

No argument from me - I'm just trying to understand your divided mind.

Any division of my mind only exists in yours on the basis of how you choose to interpret (some of) my statements. You claim a level of incoherence/inconsistency in my argument. fair enough.I say 'I see none', I say 'So what if there was?'

I say two things over and over.

"Hi-viz doth offend mine eye"
-and-
"If they aren't looking they won't see you no matter what, etc., etc.."
-and-
"if wearing flouro makes you feel better do it"

Ok that's three things.

we're cool btw, from my perspective.

 

[400bhp]

Hairy muff

 

[Hawk]

Despite hi-viz becoming more common, I don't often have to stand out from a fluorescent green billboard behind me.

If a driver doesn't look, they wont see. Hi-viz will not alert them to your presence. Yeah, sounds alright.
If a driver does look, no matter how carefully, it will be easier for them to spot me in hi-viz (compared to them looking equally carefully but with me in dark clothes). When they "look" they are looking for, say, things moving towards them, to make a decision about whether to pull out. If that thing stands out from the background then they will be more likely to pay more attention to it, surely.

I think a study is required though put drivers in a "hazard perception" style test. Perhaps we could have pictures of a driver's view in various situation flashed up for varying (short) periods of time and see how well a competent driver can identify hazards in what time. Part of this could include cyclists in hi-viz etc. This would simulate the grey area of "looking but not properly". I think we agree if a driver doesn't look at all, we're screwed regardless of clothing; if a driver looks truly 'properly' we can be camouflaged against our surroundings and they should still see us

 

[Dan B]

When they "look" they are looking for, say, things moving towards them, to make a decision about whether to pull out.

And if they see a car, they won't (probably), whereas if they see a hiviz vest they'll assume it's slow or stationary (cyclist, road worker, bin collector, school child) or simply not important and probably pull straight into your path.