Hit and Run "minor cycle accident "

[Kevin Alexander]

Hi MP

I think everyone has a temper and being almost knocked over by a car could send someone over the edge especially when they dont show any concern by driving off numerous times.

I do think the cyclist was wrong though to pursue the drive. I myself would have stepped off the road and regained my composure.

 

[martinclive]

Virtual repeat from another thread....
If she stops, apologises and checks all OK then probably no issue, no further action and everyone is happy
Why can't people admit to mistakes and say sorry?

 

[Cycling Dan]

Virtual repeat from another thread....
If she stops, apologises and checks all OK then probably no issue, no further action and everyone is happy
Why can't people admit to mistakes and say sorry?

As everyone is always right.

 

[Cycling Dan]

[QUOTE 2644635, member: 45"]He can.[/quote]
This is going back and forth like the tide but only quicker. I bid you good day.

 

[Cycling Dan]

[QUOTE 2644651, member: 45"]Alternatively, you asked how we knew that there was no injury. The obvious answer is that you've seen the video of an uninjured cyclists post-collision.[/quote]
Oh really, well you cant see the cyclist. You can presume there is no injury but definitively you cant know that. Also shock can mask any injury. Could have well sprained his wrist or shoulder. I know when I came off my bike I had small fractured on my wrist and didn't know for a few hours.
Anyhow discussion has ran its course. We will be repeating soon.

 

[Sara_H]

As long as he does not beat her or use excessive force he can get her out the car to stop her committing the offence.

Goodness me! You don't actually believe this do you? Be careful who you practice on if I were you, because I know that if a man ever did that to me, at least one of my male relatives would ensure that you knew what their thoughts on the subject were.

 

[Cycling Dan]

Goodness me! You don't actually believe this do you? Be careful who you practice on if I were you, because I know that if a man ever did that to me, at least one of my male relatives would ensure that you knew what their thoughts on the subject were.

I wouldn't do it unless it was serious like they had just killed someone and the opportunity presented its self but its a possibility. Its an extreme, however not relevant to this video but had she killed someone male or female its 100% a possibility. In some countries in fact the general public would just beat the shoot out of you. Although the countries I have seen footage for is China and eastern euro countries so not exactly good old blighty .....

 

[Sara_H]

I wouldn't do it unless it was serious like they had just killed someone and the opportunity presented its self but its a possibility.
Male or female what difference does it make? Maybe that's naive of me to ask.

Very niave. Even the feminist in me knows that in terms of violence and agression, women are generally more vulnerable then men.
Lots of men are very protective about the woman in their lives. I suggest you keep your hands off them, you may just pick on the wrong woman one day.

 

[Cycling Dan]

Very niave. Even the feminist in me knows that in terms of violence and agression, women are generally more vulnerable then men.
Lots of men are very protective about the woman in their lives. I suggest you keep your hands off them, you may just pick on the wrong woman one day.

True, but speaking more generally gender would become irreverent in my view for a higher level of seriousness. Say a female or male driver killed someone while driving and tried to make off but the opportunity presented itself to detain the driver through force.
"terms of violence and agression, women are generally more vulnerable then men" I for one disagree. A woman can be just as violent and aggressive as a man.
However statistically men are more aggressive and violent but the statics which I know of show gender on gender violence.

Anyhow some dangerous waters ahead, lets leave it.

 

[Sara_H]

True, but speaking more generally gender would become irreverent in my view for a higher level of seriousness. Say a female or male driver killed someone while driving and tried to make off but the opportunity presented itself to detain the driver through force.
"terms of violence and agression, women are generally more vulnerable then men" I for one disagree. A woman can be just as violent and aggressive as a man.

Thats a great theory and one thats oft quoted, but not strictly true in practice in terms of the level and type of agression. As an example, I'd suggest that in the scenario we're discussing, most of us would be more willing to restain a small young woman that a big strong man.

Its fancifull to suggest otherwise and somewhat of a distraction from the fact that what you're suggestion in simply not on.

 

[Sara_H]

As an aside I work with victims and perpetrators af domestic violence and victims of sexual violence, and it's very easy to see in practice who are more vulnerable.

 

[Cycling Dan]

[QUOTE 2644707, member: 45"]Earlier you were trying to justify assault in this very case.[/quote]
Citizens arrest is very much different then having no interest in them being caught but just to beating the shoot out of the driver. The people doing the beating are just passers by who leave before the police come. Most the the time anyone involved in the "accident" are picking up of what remains of the person.
Clearly we are never going to agree
Agree to disagree.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

You could see yourself being pulled out the car using reasonable force and put under citizens arrest given that you were doing a hit and run refusing to give details. Or even having your door opened and your car keys forcibly removed.
Under common Law; then lawfully detained until police arrived.

You need to have a read at this guidance as I don't think failing to stop is an indictable offence.

GC

 

[Cycling Dan]

You need to have a read at this guidance as I don't think failing to stop is an indictable offence.

GC

I think it is, double checking. It is in Canadian and Australian law. Given we have similar laws its possible.

Edit: http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences/
It is by the seems of things

 

[Cycling Dan]

[QUOTE 2644748, member: 45"]Earlier you claimed that justifiable reasonable force in this clip would have been to pull the driver out of the car. Now you're talking about other more extreme examples.[/quote]
You miss something? Already explained. This is the repeating I was talking about.