Well, you got the answer quickly, but wait for the mob to arrive
You cynic. Some of the mob arrived but the sensible ones got an overwhelming head start. There is still time though.....
Holding cars up again....
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You cynic. Some of the mob arrived but the sensible ones got an overwhelming head start. There is still time though.....
it is indeed a rare thing. I'm struggling to remember an instance where I've been put out, and I've been cycling over that junction for 40 years. But......f*** me that's a crap road further south. Sunday mornings are ok, but otherwise I would simply schlepp over to Clapham Road. Which isn't what you asked, but, having, in recent memory, seen the wreckage of two motorbikes in the bus lane going north I offer it as good advice.
As for the question - anything in the right hand lane is going on. If you're in the centre of the nearside lane then you should proceed unhindered. If you've filtered up the nearside of the nearside lane, just don't. When the wonderful nuttycyclist saw those left filter lanes for the first time about eight years ago he said they would get people killed. He wasn't wrong.
And there is no rush. The timing of the lights is such that you will wait at the next set, whatever your speed. Now, if you had been worried about that junction.....there really is no easy answer.
As for the question - anything in the right hand lane is going on. If you're in the centre of the nearside lane then you should proceed unhindered. If you've filtered up the nearside of the nearside lane, just don't. When the wonderful nuttycyclist saw those left filter lanes for the first time about eight years ago he said they would get people killed. He wasn't wrong.
And there is no rush. The timing of the lights is such that you will wait at the next set, whatever your speed. Now, if you had been worried about that junction.....there really is no easy answer.
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Looks like your answer has all been covered rather well already!!
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It has happened to me once. I have seen it happen to others once or twice over the past couple of years. Thanks for the tip about Clapham Road...I had it in mind that Clapham Road was a death trap...dunno why...
no, genuinely, it's far, far more pleasant than Brixton Road, which has more traffic coming across the bus lane from left and right. I grant you that it is a bit out of your way - if you come down Atlantic Road you would then go on to Stockwell, but that involves going round the dopey one-way system. And Kings Avenue from the A205 north to the junction with Lyham Road is horrible.
it's really not wide enough at that junction, Norm, and it's skewed, so there's a decent chance of getting squished when the cars, buses and trucks set off. Like I said, it really doesn't make sense to rush this one - the next lights, about 150 yards up will be red.
Thanks, dz. It does indeed sound like a good time to sit in the lanes, then. There's not much that you can do with the 30 seeconds you might save which is worthy of that sort of risk, IMO.
stowie
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I think so, because as you've said the car is in front of you. As long as it is indicating clearly then you should give way. Or I would anyways, you make a point wrt to the HC, but it don't mean an awful lot when a car sideswipes you leaving on the deck in pain with your bike smashed up.
Also I don't think the line of cycles represents another lane of traffic, and the cyclists in FRONT of the left turning car, the car should give way to them and not attempt a left hook.
And just for further confusion, the cyclists behind not knowing whether to undertake or not, as the car is waiting for the cyclists in front to clear, it is up to them whether they want to go or not. But I would not as it simply is not worth it.
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In the parts of London I cycle anyway we appear to be in the throws of a give-way conversion.
In Copenhagen I see cyclists merrily undertaking cars at junctions, and the driver simply waits until it is clear. And then waits until the pedestrians have crossed. And then goes. Which is pretty patient when you think about it.
In London I was quite used to cars simply scything through any cycling traffic, and would rarely, if ever, see a car stop for undertaking cyclists.
Now, I am seeing many more drivers - especially on major inner London routes - stop and give way to undertaking cyclists at junctions. But not all of them.
Cue me - with my very high level of caution about these things - stop behind a left turning car to allow it to go. And the driver stopping to let me go. And both of us waiting. Sometimes until the lights go red again.
I think so, because as you've said the car is in front of you. As long as it is indicating clearly then you should give way. Or I would anyways, you make a point wrt to the HC, but it don't mean an awful lot when a car sideswipes you leaving on the deck in pain with your bike smashed up.
Also I don't think the line of cycles represents another lane of traffic, and the cyclists in FRONT of the left turning car, the car should give way to them and not attempt a left hook.
And just for further confusion, the cyclists behind not knowing whether to undertake or not, as the car is waiting for the cyclists in front to clear, it is up to them whether they want to go or not. But I would not as it simply is not worth it.
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In the parts of London I cycle anyway we appear to be in the throws of a give-way conversion.
In Copenhagen I see cyclists merrily undertaking cars at junctions, and the driver simply waits until it is clear. And then waits until the pedestrians have crossed. And then goes. Which is pretty patient when you think about it.
In London I was quite used to cars simply scything through any cycling traffic, and would rarely, if ever, see a car stop for undertaking cyclists.
Now, I am seeing many more drivers - especially on major inner London routes - stop and give way to undertaking cyclists at junctions. But not all of them.
Cue me - with my very high level of caution about these things - stop behind a left turning car to allow it to go. And the driver stopping to let me go. And both of us waiting. Sometimes until the lights go red again.
BentMikey
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That's right, we're starting to see more and more of the effects of safety in numbers.