Horrible close punishment pass
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Boris Bajic
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Although the panel van looms over the rder because of its height, I see the pass by the pick-up as worse.
Neither was utterly horrible, but both would put a tingle down the spine on the wrong day or in the wrong weather.
Why is the pick-up worse? Because its offside tyres stay your side of the broken line. It cannot move right, as it is alongside another vehicle.
The driver of the panel van seems slightly lazy as there is nothing (I think) stopping him moving to the right.
The pick-up driver is showing a deal of impatience, as he ought to wait for the car to pass him before he passes you. He is also showing poor anticipation, because he really ought to know that both you and the passing car are there and that he may be alongside both of you at the same time.
To my mind neither was a punishment pass, unless you had 'wound up' either of the drivers with some earlier action not in the clip.
They were passes the like of which one sees very often but which can be unnerving nonetheless.
Neither was utterly horrible, but both would put a tingle down the spine on the wrong day or in the wrong weather.
Why is the pick-up worse? Because its offside tyres stay your side of the broken line. It cannot move right, as it is alongside another vehicle.
The driver of the panel van seems slightly lazy as there is nothing (I think) stopping him moving to the right.
The pick-up driver is showing a deal of impatience, as he ought to wait for the car to pass him before he passes you. He is also showing poor anticipation, because he really ought to know that both you and the passing car are there and that he may be alongside both of you at the same time.
To my mind neither was a punishment pass, unless you had 'wound up' either of the drivers with some earlier action not in the clip.
They were passes the like of which one sees very often but which can be unnerving nonetheless.
Andrew_P
In between here and there
Cannot really comment on the Video as they are so hard to judge.
What I would like to know is how other cyclists handle road like the one in the Video?
Cannot see a response to Benb question, would further to the right be safer? I have a similar stretch and I really cannot make my mind where I feel safest. The further to the right I am the closer the passes, I have not had the guts to try and completely block lane one so you cannot fit two cars inevitably I still get squeeze passes of two cars + me. On the whole I feel safer closer to the kerb as the close passes are not so f'ing close. But that seems like an unnatural position to me.
What I would like to know is how other cyclists handle road like the one in the Video?
Cannot see a response to Benb question, would further to the right be safer? I have a similar stretch and I really cannot make my mind where I feel safest. The further to the right I am the closer the passes, I have not had the guts to try and completely block lane one so you cannot fit two cars inevitably I still get squeeze passes of two cars + me. On the whole I feel safer closer to the kerb as the close passes are not so f'ing close. But that seems like an unnatural position to me.
+1
It's a reasonable secondary position i.e., there's still enough space between cyclist and shoulder for the cyclist to be able to take avoidance with normal length vehicles, unless he's that close that he hits you before you see him. Long vehicles are always a problem, especially when the driver forgets he's driving one as Magnatom's latest video shows:
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1itCTjbtKsw
That's scary, not much you can do about that.
addictfreak
Guru
- Location
- Boldon, Tyne and Wear
That's a horrendous pass! Had a similar incident with a 4x4 and a horse box a couple of years ago, probably the most scary one I have ever had.
I read through the comments on the above video and someone noted that the van was a rental vehicle, which suggests that the driver had little or no experience in driving long vehicles. Not that it excuses him in any way.
Boris Bajic
Guest
It may be the trailer as much as the van, which isn't really much longer than some estate cars. The driving was dreadful for a number of reasons:
1. Swinging in before he was past.
2. Bothering to pass anyway as he was approaching stationary traffic.
3. Failure to anticipate: The silver car in the RH lane was slowing, so the driver cut left too early to avoid it. That was predictable and he didn't.
Nothing magnatron could have done, as far as I can see.
I'm not a fan of his footage and was blamed (probably fairly) for 'hounding him away from CC' by mocking his shouty, melodramatic Road Tax lectures and Matthew-style 'vigilrantism'... But that was a very poor piece of driving and well worth taking to Plod.
Yes I should have made myself clear. By long vehicle I meant van + trailer.
jarlrmai
Veteran
"primary" on a 2 lane road is a weird place to be.
You'll get still get this which is what I call a "get left pass" for being in primary ie the driver will straddle the white line to pass you close because they are pissed off at the implication that they should change lanes especially if they want to take a left turn which is coming up. On a single lane when where is oncoming traffic etc they can't do this which this is the point of primary.
You'll get still get this which is what I call a "get left pass" for being in primary ie the driver will straddle the white line to pass you close because they are pissed off at the implication that they should change lanes especially if they want to take a left turn which is coming up. On a single lane when where is oncoming traffic etc they can't do this which this is the point of primary.
Glow worm
Legendary Member
- Location
- Near Newmarket
I have 4 very sharp blind bends at the start / end of my commute and I have no end of problems with motons overtaking. Not even a v. strong primary seems to put the dumbest ones off and only last night I was very nearly knocked off by one. It was one of the dumbest pieces of driving I've seen for some time, and boy has there been some strong competition. close pass, blind bend, and car coming the other way that had to do an emergency stop. Brilliant.
When I caught up with the prick further up, he mumbled some moronic twaddle about me being in the middle of the road (ie primary) - he could hardly string a sentence together, but the gist from the dumb creature's groans were, I think, that he was 'punishing' me for slowing him for all of, erm 5 seconds. I don't think he'll be doing it again in a hurry though.
This is one of the bends and my preferred line is roughly 2-3 feet from the centre white lines. Aside from that, I'm not sure there's much more I can do. Apart from have a lobotomy and drive. A lot of drivers simply have no clue as to why we position ourselves where we do on the road so I can only conclude that because they're a bunch of stupid, self centered, pig ignorant ar$eholes, they assume we do it to annoy'em.
When I caught up with the prick further up, he mumbled some moronic twaddle about me being in the middle of the road (ie primary) - he could hardly string a sentence together, but the gist from the dumb creature's groans were, I think, that he was 'punishing' me for slowing him for all of, erm 5 seconds. I don't think he'll be doing it again in a hurry though.
This is one of the bends and my preferred line is roughly 2-3 feet from the centre white lines. Aside from that, I'm not sure there's much more I can do. Apart from have a lobotomy and drive. A lot of drivers simply have no clue as to why we position ourselves where we do on the road so I can only conclude that because they're a bunch of stupid, self centered, pig ignorant ar$eholes, they assume we do it to annoy'em.