How do retired people pay their rent?

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and if you sold the house instead if giving it to your kids?
Do you mean selling it to the kids, or just selling on the open market, if selling to the kids if it's not at the appropriate market rate they could become liable for any shortfall of our funding in the care home IF they benefited from the low sell price. Of if sold on the open market then we would have the money to fund the care home until it ran out. As somebody has already pointed out, if you have nothing the state will take cars of you, if you have enough then you don't care, unfortunately there are a lot of us in the middle who have a small amount that will get swallowed up very quickly.
 

delb0y

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I'm not sure the state will have enough money to look after everyone that will need looking after in the future. We'll all be living longer - many more years of it needing some kind of support - more and more will be renting (as per this thread), the robots (as per the other thread) will mean many more are needing help at an earlier age, and there simply won't be enough £££s to go round. We've already seen this happening the last few years and it's been terrible for many. I think those planning to, or having no choice but to, rely on the state may find life a lot harsher than those in the same situation today.
 

Venod

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My mum and dad lived in a council house, they had lived in it long enough they could have bought it for peanuts, but dad wouldn't he was quite happy paying the rent which they managed on a small private pension plus state pension, they didn't live an extravagant life but were far from poor, when dad died mum lived in the house for another 15 year before going into a nursing home, she managed OK in the house and the nursing home was paid for from her pension plus state top up, if they had bought the house it would have had to be sold to fund the nursing home, plus the council probably wanted the house to benefit from the full rent as mums was subsidised.
 
You say I am lucky because I bought my own house.

It has nothing to do with working in heavy industry 2 weeks after leaving school?

Working as much overtime as I could get?

3 different shifts in the same week?

Buying old cars when I could aford new ?

Deferring gratification?

Only buying items when I had the money to?

Yep I'm lucky alright
I'd say so - because for a lot of young people today even if they make all of those same choices they will not be able to afford to buy.
 
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First and foremost I would like to say that I am sorry to learn that you are disabled.I wish you well.

You say I am lucky because I bought my own house.

It has nothing to do with working in heavy industry 2 weeks after leaving school?

Working as much overtime as I could get?

3 different shifts in the same week?

Buying old cars when I could aford new ?

Deferring gratification?

Only buying items when I had the money to?

Yep I'm lucky alright
1. Working as a Blacksmith in heavy industry from when I left school and 7 years at tech collage until 9pm
2. working 60 hour week in my trade and then as a security guard at the weekend two 12 hour shifts at Southampton docks
3. Buying old cars, I now own a 20 year old Mondeo
4. eating or heating
.......I could go no
Yeah I'm lucky too
 

gbb

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The answer for some who have their own property and worry about having to sell it to pay for care in later life, a former colleague of my wife has paid IRO £3000 to have the house ...i don't remember the terminology..,but put into a trust kind of thing for her three children. It no longer belongs to her but she lives in it rent free for the rest of her natural. That way it can' be used against her if she requires expensive care in old age.
Forgive the poor explanation...but you get the gist.
 
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The answer for some who have their own property and worry about having to sell it to pay for care in later life, a former colleague of my wife has paid IRO £3000 to have the house ...i don't remember the terminology..,but put into a trust kind of thing for her three children. It no longer belongs to her but she lives in it rent free for the rest of her natural. That way it can' be used against her if she requires expensive care in old age.
Forgive the poor explanation...but you get the gist.
I was told this will not work, it will be regarded as "Intentional deprivation of assets" & there is no time limit to stop the local authority going back & claiming against it. Your former colleague needs to get specialist advise about what they believe they have done & what they actually have done.
 

gbb

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I was told this will not work, it will be regarded as "Intentional deprivation of assets" & there is no time limit to stop the local authority going back & claiming against it. Your former colleague needs to get specialist advise about what they believe they have done & what they actually have done.
Apparently it was a solicitor that arranged it. I don't know if what you say is right...it may be it may not but it's something I would consider as I get older.
 

marzjennings

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True, but if you only pay the interest on a mortgage, how are you going to repay the capital at the end of the term?.
The idea is that your home will grow in value and when you sell the house, you should have enough money to repay the capital and make a small profit.

My brother got an interest only mortgage, which sort of worked for him.
 

gbb

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The idea is that your home will grow in value and when you sell the house, you should have enough money to repay the capital and make a small profit.

My brother got an interest only mortgage, which sort of worked for him.

I had an interest only mortgage when I brought mine at a very modest price by today' standards. It quickly became apparent it wasn' going to cover the capital going by the updates they were giving me and I swapped to a repayment mortgage fter about 5 years,
But...had I stayed on the interest only...as it stands I would have covered it over and over again given prices now.
But...how do you pay off the capital if you don' want to sell your house once the capital is due for payment ? I assume the value is locked up until you die or the house is sold for whatever reason.

As it is, you realise the updates they give you are only an indication of how you'r e doing against house prices at that moment in time. Interest only motgages need a very very long term view which of course is impossible to predict
 

PaulSB

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Before replying I’d best givee my own position. I’m 63, my wife 61. Mortgageless we have two small pensions and savings which provide a good life.

We are NOT wealthy just ordinary people who made provisions for the future as we felt the opportunities later life offered worth saving for. We also know we are extraordinarily lucky to come from the golden generations of the 60s - we had so much.

The OP asks a very important question which only one post attempts to answer. Personally I’m very interested in this question but can’t find an answer anywhere. The truth is the current “renting generation” are a time bomb which will explode in 30-40 years. Without having paid off my mortgage I would still be working or would be forced to sell up, move away from my friends and neighbours to buy a smaller, cheaper property. Just at a time when I want them as close as possible.

Last week we gave two of our three children 50% of the deposit needed for mortgages. This is to get them out of renting. I’ve made it very clear they should not look at their parents and think retiring at 60 will be easy for their generation or even happen. I’ve encouraged both to meet my financial advisor and put a proper structured plan in place now. I truly believe it’s their only hope of avoiding working in to their mid 70s

I have a third son. For all those who believe “the state will look after you” let me tell you what this means in 2018. Then ask yourself if this is how you’d like to live in retirement, if you think it’s either adequate or acceptable.

My lad is 30, Downs Syndrome, dispraxic and SLD. He has a wonderful life and we’ve been fortunate to win many major battles to get him there. He currently shares a house with three other young men who require 24 hour care. This is care in the community and it works.

BUT

My son’s expectations and needs are different from most. He receives a variety of state benefits for housing etc. Any surplus from these benefits is used to contribute to his own care costs - YES read that again disabled people have to repay part of their benefits to cover care costs! Lancashire County Council take back 100% of any surplus above life’s basics to pay for his care. I don’t blame LCC but that’s another discussion.

After covering the very basics of life my son has £27.14 per week. This has to cover everything you can imagine aside from staying alive. Let’s consider what £27 pw has to buy, for example clothes, shoes, soap, deodorant, trip to cinema, mobile phone, toothpaste, newspaper, TV license, football season ticket, bus fares. Everything you might consider a basic is NOT covered by the state.

We buy his clothes, pay for holidays etc. If he wants to go on holiday with a carer he has to pay for all the carer’s costs PLUS £15 per hour for that care. The care element of one week’s holiday is £2520!! Needless to say he doesn’t go on holiday unless a family member can take him.

This is how we as a country chose to behave, today in 2018. This is what “the state will look after you means.” Today the state pension is +/- £8000 and I guess is adequate for today’s needs. If you believe in 30-40 years the state will look after you then act accordingly but if you prefer not to risk living off the equivalent of £27 per week then take action now.

For me the only thing retirees can rely on in 30 years time is their own efforts made today. There will not be any money for the “state to look after you.” The state will keep you alive but won’t look after you.

I realise some of this reads like a rant. It’s not meant to be, it’s reality. The truth is today the state, that’s you and me, treat the elderly, disabled and disadvantaged very poorly. If you think it will get better I wish you luck - I wouldn’t take the risk though.

The only reason governments haven’t hit the state pension so far is they’re scared. The time will come though as there will soon be nothing else left to cut.
 
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Apparently it was a solicitor that arranged it. I don't know if what you say is right...it may be it may not but it's something I would consider as I get older.
I don't either but it was a solicitor who told me it wouldn't work, so the question is do you believe a solicitor who made money of of writing the trust, or a solicitor who turned down money because her best advice was it wouldn't work. I know which I have to believe unfortunately as I liked the trust idea.
 
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PaulSB

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The answer for some who have their own property and worry about having to sell it to pay for care in later life, a former colleague of my wife has paid IRO £3000 to have the house ...i don't remember the terminology..,but put into a trust kind of thing for her three children. It no longer belongs to her but she lives in it rent free for the rest of her natural. That way it can' be used against her if she requires expensive care in old age.
Forgive the poor explanation...but you get the gist.

You can do this but it isn’t put in to a trust as far as I’m aware though I am looking in to the possibility. I’ve a friend who has given 50% of his house to his two sons. It does rely on him living for a while.

It is possible and perfectly legitimate to set up a discretionary family trust. We have one. The beneficiaries are our three sons with the trust accompanied by a “letter of wishes” which in our case is the trust is firstly to provide income for our disadvantaged son in the event of our death.

We are also looking at the possibility of leaving a portion of our estate to the trust rather than to each other on first death. The logic being the survivor is more likely to need the care in later life so we need to protect what assets we can.
 
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The idea is that your home will grow in value and when you sell the house, you should have enough money to repay the capital and make a small profit

The idea is that banks are desperate to lend money to people who either don't understand the deal, or who are planning on being abducted by aliens and not having to repay the capital. Or selling their house and living.............erm..............where?

Example here (scroll down, select 'interest only mortgages').

But coming from the land of sub prime mortgages, we don't expect you to grasp the issue.

Older people will not be able to re-mortgage, or repay the capital on 'their' home.
 

gbb

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The idea is that banks are desperate to lend money to people who either don't understand the deal, or who are planning on being abducted by aliens and not having to repay the capital. Or selling their house and living.............erm..............where?

Example here (scroll down, select 'interest only mortgages').

But coming from the land of sub prime mortgages, we don't expect you to grasp the issue.

Older people will not be able to re-mortgage, or repay the capital on 'their' home.
I have a friend in this situation (i assume we're talking being unable to pay off the capital)
In essense the house now belongs to the mortgage provider and upon them selling or dying, the house goes to the mortgage provider.
Now that seems such a shame given they're in this position for the best of causes, financial hardship through taking on and raising their grandkids...and now great grandkids, its stuffed them financially.
But as i said to him, yebbut....just look on it youve been paying rent and you have/had a roof over your head for all those years. You'll never realise anything financially at the end but thats the way it goes. The only ones that really lost out are the ones he'd have left it to, now there's nothing to leave.
 
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