How to navigate when touring?!

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MarkF

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
I can't plan to save my life, all the enthusiam for the trip drains out of me if I try to plan a route, or anything really, went from Leeds to Barcelona with zero planning and no navigational tools and a did a similar tour of Catalonia too. It's not like I am crossing the Sahara or the Nullarbor plain! If I'm really struggling, and that is usually when trying to escape a City, then I use my wristwatch to give me South.

I get lost all the time, it's great, I'll admit to it causing me grief at times but, all in all, I prefer it. :smile:
 

Brains

Legendary Member
Location
Greenwich
Hmm sweeping generalisation alert.

OS (and equivalent maps in other countries) also include the small back lanes and bridleways that simply don't appear on larger-scale maps. So they have definite advantages as well as disadvantages. 1:25k is too much but 1:50k can be worth considering, depending on what sort of cycle tour you are doing: for example try doing the South Downs Way or the Ridgeway with a road map - or to take a less extreme example, I'm not sure how many of the Sustrans routes you could follow with a road map.

For cyclists the ideal map would probably be 1:100k linear and custom-printed on ultralight waterproof paper.

Oh, and don't forget the Sustrans and Harveys linear maps which can be useful.

Another sweeping generalisation

The best cycle map series I have ever used are the German 'Bikeline' by Esterbauer maps.
They are all at 1:70,00 (I think) which they have found to be the perfect size for cycling, their are printed in landscape format which means the maps fit in almost any typical bar bag the right way up.
Most importantly on a map designed for cars, the motorways are in the main colours and the footpath and cycle lanes are barely marked. On their cycle map the colours are reversed, so that motorways are greyed out, so you don't even think to use them. Hills are also marked as are the alternate routes around them.

I'd love to see a Bikeline map of a classic UK cycle route such as the C2C it would blow other maps such as the Sustrans version (which won an award. Why ??) out of the water.
 

andym

Über Member
I'd love to see a Bikeline map of a classic UK cycle route such as the C2C it would blow other maps such as the Sustrans version (which won an award. Why ??) out of the water.

Oh dear. Here we go - obligatory, and tedious, cheap shot at Sustrans. Precious few maps designed for cycists but someone wants to snipe at some of the few maps that are. Of course if they were German or French they would be the best thing since sliced baguettes.

If the day ever comes when we have the choice between Erbauer and OS and Sustrans maps then I'll worry about which is 'better' In the mantime the choice is
between these and maps designed for car drivers.
 

Zoiders

New Member
Oh dear. Here we go - obligatory, and tedious, cheap shot at Sustrans. Precious few maps designed for cycists but someone wants to snipe at some of the few maps that are. Of course if they were German or French they would be the best thing since sliced baguettes.

If the day ever comes when we have the choice between Erbauer and OS and Sustrans maps then I'll worry about which is 'better' In the mantime the choice is
between these and maps designed for car drivers.
The Sustrans map could be the best bit of modern design since the London Undergound map for all I care.

Sadly it's a map of routes that don't link up properly or in a usable fashion so I will stick with the AA road map for now.
 

frank9755

Cyclist
Location
West London
Hmm, i've just taken a quick shufty at a map of France and I was struggling to find any part where you could go any significant distance without encountering a motorway or major road.

I'd hate anyone to read your post and think had a fragment of truth in it! France has almost three times as many miles of road as the UK (for same population) and most of them are quiet and smooth secondary roads. Cycling there is a joy and navigating is made easier because every road has a number.
 

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
I love Pevsner, but could hardly recommend them as a practical touring companion, especially if you follow dell's other advice and travel very light!

The best place to cycle is France. Not only because it's a glorious country with fantastic food and wine and perfectly smooth roads, but because there's a national series of 1:100,000 maps, with contours (it was a black day when the OS removed contours from their touring maps) and printed on light paper with no covers.
I didn't know that. I've always gone for Michelin maps. Can you point me in the right direction?
 

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
oooohhhh! Stanfords!

many thanks!
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
I've used IGN Top 100 and tbh I have found them a bit too large scale for a longer ride. It's good to have the contours but they are not the most readable in design. I would probably go for them in the mountains but prefer a road atlas for the flat areas.


http://www.elstead.co.uk/acatalog/IGN_Top_100_Maps_Index.html

Those reading this should know that Frank's idea of a short ride is London to Cardiff. The whole of France is covered in only 75 maps (and with panniers it would probably be feasible to carry the lot - they are seriously light; Manche-to-Med can be done in 10 maps; each map is about 120km across. They've also recently been upgraded so that they are now much clearer than they were before - I found them very easy to read in a barbag, even on fairly bumpy roads.

If I get around to it I'll weigh up a stash of maps and compare them with the weight of a road atlas.
 

bilboburgler

New Member
Location
Leeds
Tend to have a rough idea of the area going
Use libraries while traveling
Blackberry GPS with google maps
Kindel using its pseudo GPS capabilities and google maps
Visit Tourist Info whenever open and blag maps

If I do buy maps I try to photocopy onto A4 or A3 as these can be stuffed into a top pocket when it rains or the wind gets up. I prefer 1:100k to 200k
 
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