I am fed up of lorrys and close overtakes!

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classic33

Leg End Member
Graham1 said:
i will tell you what I think as a cyclist who rides up to 150 mls a week and as a lorry driver who drives 1500 miles a week, ditch the camera as I think you are just looking for trouble and help the drivers by letting them past, as crankarm said keep looking behind you, drivers who see this will at least know that you know they are there, as you may or may not be aware tractors and slow moving vehicles are supposed to pull over and give faster traffic the chance to get by, I have kept an eye on this thread since day one even advising you of where the tesco lorry came from also putting up the how is my driving freephone but I think you are just anti lorry, the best thing is for you to park your bike up or find a quiter route to use on your commute.

Three questions here.
Why ditch the camera? If it isn't affecting his ability to cycle, correctly. Are you just anti camera.
Why keep looking behind him whilst moving forward? It doesn't help to see whats coming up. And it definitly doesn't guarantee that those behind will actually see him.
As for pulling over & letting other vehicles past. Isn't the idea that it should be done if its safe to do so. There will be times that the person on a bike can actually travel quicker, if only the cars would get out of the way. I don't put a tractor in the same league as a bicycle.
 

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
classic33 said:
Why keep looking behind him whilst moving forward? It doesn't help to see whats coming up. And it definitly doesn't guarantee that those behind will actually see him.

I'd dispute that, a little bit. Looking round frequently is a good way to make eye contact with a driver behind and it can help modify their behaviour - they may hang back a bit - either because you've established a human link, or because they think the looking behind means you are about to swerve out. I've used looking behind as a way to create myself a gap to turn right before now. OK, it doesn't always work, but I think by and large, it's worth doing (as long as you don't neglect to look forward, of course), on the basis that if it just deters one eijit, it's a good thing.

Also, it says to the driver "I've clocked you, I'm keeping an eye on you, I'm not just some unaware oik you can push around" (if you look 'hard' enough)
 
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thomas

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
classic33 said:
Why keep looking behind him whilst moving forward? It doesn't help to see whats coming up. And it definitly doesn't guarantee that those behind will actually see him.

Looking behind is important when on the roads. I don't do it to control those behind me, though it can have that effect. By knowing what is behind you, it is easier to make decisions that effect you when moving forward and just keeps you more alert. By looking behind frequently you can see how much traffic there is, what type of traffic there is, etc, which can help you when avoiding obstacles and so on. When I was learning to drive I was taught that it is as important to be aware of what is going on behind, as what is going on in front...and through a driving test you'll be looking in your mirrors goodness knows how many thousand times...obviously, turning around it harder than glancing in a rear view mirror, but in my mind the same principle exists.

Why ditch the camera? If it isn't affecting his ability to cycle, correctly. Are you just anti camera.
I have kept an eye on this thread since day one even advising you of where the tesco lorry came from also putting up the how is my driving freephone but I think you are just anti lorry, the best thing is for you to park your bike up or find a quiter route to use on your commute.
As for trying to find trouble. I would assume, that by helping supply the Tesco free phone number and other useful details, that you don't think I did something to provoke that close overtake (certainly one or two people felt holding a lane on the duel carriageway may have and other people argued against this)....
 

classic33

Leg End Member
With regards looking behind you.
Just an "opinion" given to me by a driver who tried passing & wasn't successful, when he drew level at the junction. Was doing 250+ miles to & from work over the weekend on a regular basis, when given this "opinion".
Personal opinion, along the lines of those given by Arch.
I'll agree knowing whats behind is important. But if you are going to be spending all your time looking back, there'll be trouble.

Thomas, I answered in support of you. Not knocking you.
 
Arch said:
Also, it says to the driver "I've clocked you, I'm keeping an eye on you, I'm not just some unaware oik you can push around" (if you look 'hard' enough)
Some times :sun: other times it tell the driver that you've seen them and it OK for them to push through, 'it's ok the bike can swerve out of the way, into a massive pothole, parked cars, etc :biggrin:. You just can't win sometimes :smile:
 
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thomas

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
classic33 said:
With regards looking behind you.
Just an "opinion" given to me by a driver who tried passing & wasn't successful, when he drew level at the junction. Was doing 250+ miles to & from work over the weekend on a regular basis, when given this "opinion".
Personal opinion, along the lines of those given by Arch.
I'll agree knowing whats behind is important. But if you are going to be spending all your time looking back, there'll be trouble.

Thomas, I answered in support of you. Not knocking you.

Sorry!! I do appreciate the support, I probably waffled in a bit so it came across wrongly. I think looking behind frequently when cycling is important...but I wouldn't suggest cycling backwards ;)

It's just nice to see what's behind, as sometimes when you do you get a sense with who will do something silly and it allows you to prepare for it.

With the lorry I did look back frequently too, and at the point he overtook it was one of those, I could look or do anything and he'll still be going for it.
 
thomas said:
As for trying to find trouble. I would assume, that by helping supply the Tesco free phone number and other useful details, that you don't think I did something to provoke that close overtake (certainly one or two people felt holding a lane on the duel carriageway may have and other people argued against this)....

I supplied the number because I thought you had been treated unfairly by the driver in question. but just about every post is about being fed up with close overtakes by lorries no mention of cars or vans, it just sickens me to hear cyclists complaining about lorry drivers all the time surely you must get passed closely by cars and vans as well.
I have been out every day this week and believe me I have had more cars running close to me than lorries, But you have to take it in your stride because unfortunately that is the way things are.
 
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thomas

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
Graham1 said:
I supplied the number because I thought you had been treated unfairly by the driver in question. but just about every post is about being fed up with close overtakes by lorries no mention of cars or vans, it just sickens me to hear cyclists complaining about lorry drivers all the time surely you must get passed closely by cars and vans as well.
I have been out every day this week and believe me I have had more cars running close to me than lorries, But you have to take it in your stride because unfortunately that is the way things are.


Okay...I am fed up with close overtakes of all shapes and sizes! If you just look on my youtube page there are numerous close overtakes and they are done by road users of all shapes and sizes. I'd end up looking like a spammer if I posted a thread for each and everyone of them.

As for just bashing lorries.... I had a similar experience to the Tesco lorry, which the first few times of watching really put shivers down my spine with with just how close the trailer was to me (if you watch it you'll have to slow-mo it yourself I'm afraid). That's probably the scariest thing I've had happen to me on the bike. The initial reaction is entirely genuine, the bit from the numberplate is for the benefit of the camera as I was going to yell it out to have a record of it.

After more or less the same thing happened again, with the trailer coming too close of the Tesco's lorry, I think it is reasonably fair that I've become a little wary around lorries and maybe I am over precautions. I know, yes, I have had close overtakes by other road users, but if either of those lorries trailers had actually hit me I'd be a lot less likely to be posting now than if some tit in a van or car had hit me.

The only reason I'm 'fed up with lorries' is I've lost some trust with what they're going to do. I know incidents like the Tesco's one and older one are very infrequent, but they're a lot more nerve racking than your standard close overtake and maybe feel more frequent to me as I have less lorries going past me than cars.

In the scheme of things, I think proper lorry drivers (not inflated vans like the Muppet from the other day) are probably some of the better drivers on the road. At least lorry drivers seem to have a clue - soo many car drivers can't think more than a step ahead and can't really appreciate why people might do something (such as lorries turning right, before turning left...and why cyclists might not be going over massive pot holes or be peddling an inch from the kerb).

I have been treated very well on the roads by some lorry drivers...the other day I had a fantastic tipper lorry driver behind me. I was expecting it to squeeze past or cut in (heard some stories about them on here, even from lorry drivers). Instead, he very patiently stuck behind for a bit and overtook completely on the other side and didn't pull in until completely past. He was almost too generous if there is such a thing, so I gave him a big thank you and thumbs up.

Graham, you can overtake me any time :sad:..No hard feelings - When I'm back on my bike, should anything happen that doesn't include lorries I'll make a post (or anything positive about lorries I'll post that) to help balance it out a bit :wahhey:.
 

Munkie

New Member
Location
Herts
I've only been commuting for six months, quite busy traffic up the A5 in Herts with a massive truck stop and I must say that all the lorries have given me loads of space. All my trouble has been with scrotes in cars shouting for no reason. Caught up with some in heavy traffic the other day and they all went slient !!
 
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