cd365
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They're PCSOs, not the police
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MontyVeda
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What does PCSO stand for?
and is splitting hairs a worthy contribution to this thread?
and is splitting hairs a worthy contribution to this thread?
glasgowcyclist
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That lady with the black trolley-case had nice legs.
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cd365
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PCSO: Police Community Support Officers. They are members of the public with a bit of training, they have no real powers and are there to support the real Police Officers. In the incident you linked to it was basically two young people who didn't know how to deal with a child who had disappeared under water. They did not have the initiative to help, the same as many people do in a crisis, just stand there watching and not helping.
I'm not splitting hairs, just pointing out that they are not Police Officers.
MontyVeda
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You really are splitting hairs.... PCSOs are part of the police service. They stood by and watched. Members of the public managed to get one of the kids out. I posted that article in response to Mr Paul claiming that the police 'can cope' and his suggestion that members of the public have no place providing help or support.
GrumpyGregry
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I assumed the police car was closing from behind the OP to start with.
Having now watched the full video, I'd tend to continue with my working assumption that the our police are quite capable of sorting themselves out when boxed in, without the assistance of any passing cyclist travelling in the other direction. That or they are prepared to wait.
So in this case I'd have to vote no. If I was the voting sort.
And I know it is not very public spirited but if a cyclist rode at me bellowing "pedestrians STOP!" I'd be inclined to tell him to go away.
Having now watched the full video, I'd tend to continue with my working assumption that the our police are quite capable of sorting themselves out when boxed in, without the assistance of any passing cyclist travelling in the other direction. That or they are prepared to wait.
So in this case I'd have to vote no. If I was the voting sort.
And I know it is not very public spirited but if a cyclist rode at me bellowing "pedestrians STOP!" I'd be inclined to tell him to go away.
Rather that the pedestrians kept walking in front of the HGV as he was trying to carefully edge forward. The driver was well aware of the police car behind him. He also has a live rear view camera feed on his HGV.
CopperBrompton
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There's a time and a place for this kind of amateur traffic direction. I've done it a few times, especially at accident scenes, but in my view this was too chaotic an environment to make it a good idea - especially signalling a large lorry through a red light with pedestrians everywhere. There's more risk than benefit here given that the police car would have been through ten seconds later anyway.
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User6179
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Would of been happy for the OP to pull out an AK47 and start taking out the peds still crossing the road to be honest 
, amazing out of all them people only one person tried to help and the rest acted like lemons
, amazing out of all them people only one person tried to help and the rest acted like lemons
GrumpyGregry
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I'd be interested to see what would have happened if the two's and blue's had been on a fire engine or ambulance. PossiblyWould of been happy for the OP to pull out an AK47 and start taking out the peds still crossing the road to be honest
Call me cynical....
Cycling Dan
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[QUOTE 3162677, member: 45"]Funnily enough, that was once one of my jobs.[/QUOTE]
Are you the guy which arranges this countries flood defences ??
Are you the guy which arranges this countries flood defences ??
cd365
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http://www.policecommunitysupportofficer.com/welcome.html
The first line states "Police Community Support Officers are members of support staff", they are not police offices they are civilians, i.e. members of the public. They are employed by a police force as "support staff". The police officer who turned up in your example jumped in and pulled the kid out, he coped. Some of the members of the public there helped, the fishermen did, the PCSOs didn't. The PCSOs as members of the public in my opinion did not do their civic duty and try to save the kid and should hang their head in shame. You are confusing PCSOs as police officers, they are not.
GrumpyGregry
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Bit harsh imo. They were young and inexperienced. There are all sorts of human reasons why they may not have been able to respond more appropriately to the situation. There but for the grace of God, etc..
cd365
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Possibly a little harsh yes, but still, a child was under the water most people would try to do something, to just stand there was just wrong
GrumpyGregry
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My son once fell off a moored narrowboat into a deep canal. There were at least 20 adults about. Very few of them so much as lifted a finger to help. Some laughed.
People often become paralysed, or otherwise respond inappropriately, or become confused, in situation they have not encountered before, or where they are afraid. A fair number of studies have shown "most people" just don't do the "right" thing in a crisis for all sorts of reasons.
