in praise of Dave Hill...

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dellzeqq

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/12/met-commissioner-bernard-hogan-howe

It looks like Johnson has got his man. I'm reminded of the scene in 'Heaven's Gate' in which the terminally weak and terminally corrupt John Hurt (too skinny to play Johnson, but otherwise perfect) calls in the cavalry to rescue the bad guys and restore order. There will now be some discreet, or, perhaps, manic sweeping up of the evidence and a 'war on gangs', to follow the equally delicious 'war on terror' and 'war on drugs'. In the mean time the hopeless Mark Duggan's funeral had a bunch of big black cars, a bishop and a glass coach. Would that any of us had such a send-off. Hogan-Howe and Johnson might just ponder that one.....

Three years ago we had a great police force led by people who could add up and work out the percentages - despite the running commentary from Victoria 'don't know squit about art, but I need the dough' Wadley. We've still got a great police force, but the top brass seems to have succumbed to some form of moral ataxia, ducking and weaving and spinning their way in to ignominy. Now Lebedev provides the commentary, and it's a fine commentary, but Johnson is still playing to the Standard of 2008. Never mind phone-hacking (what do they have on him?), or unemployment, or housing. It's gangs, gangs, gangs, gangs. Never has County Hall looked more like an antheap, or, on the other hand, less like an antheap because ants work for a living and there is no work (and less thought) going on in County Hall. No thought, for starters, that the rise in rents, the loss of the EMA and rising youth unemployment might be the makings of an uncertain future. For all of us, not just those pesky gangs. Holding our noses, we hope for better times and a better Mayor.
 
http://www.guardian....nard-hogan-howe

It looks like Johnson has got his man. I'm reminded of the scene in 'Heaven's Gate' in which the terminally weak and terminally corrupt John Hurt (too skinny to play Johnson, but otherwise perfect) calls in the cavalry to rescue the bad guys and restore order. There will now be some discreet, or, perhaps, manic sweeping up of the evidence and a 'war on gangs', to follow the equally delicious 'war on terror' and 'war on drugs'. In the mean time the hopeless Mark Duggan's funeral had a bunch of big black cars, a bishop and a glass coach. Would that any of us had such a send-off. Hogan-Howe and Johnson might just ponder that one.....

Three years ago we had a great police force led by people who could add up and work out the percentages - despite the running commentary from Victoria 'don't know squit about art, but I need the dough' Wadley. We've still got a great police force, but the top brass seems to have succumbed to some form of moral ataxia, ducking and weaving and spinning their way in to ignominy. Now Lebedev provides the commentary, and it's a fine commentary, but Johnson is still playing to the Standard of 2008. Never mind phone-hacking (what do they have on him?), or unemployment, or housing. It's gangs, gangs, gangs, gangs. Never has County Hall looked more like an antheap, or, on the other hand, less like an antheap because ants work for a living and there is no work (and less thought) going on in County Hall. No thought, for starters, that the rise in rents, the loss of the EMA and rising youth unemployment might be the makings of an uncertain future. For all of us, not just those pesky gangs. Holding our noses, we hope for better times and a better Mayor.


I'm not sure we ever had a great police force, but I have no idea what the rest of that post is about!
 

subaqua

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I'm not sure we ever had a great police force, but I have no idea what the rest of that post is about!


we have always had a great police force. as with anything there is a minority that sticks in peoples minds and they forget the greater good.

the rest is just prosecco fuelled dell rant :whistle:
 
It reads as a very one sided and selective interpretation of a view of policing in London. As one who hasn't thought about it much, I'd read that and look for someone else's view as well.

More telling, I saw the new guy interviewed outside the MET on telly. A series of trite idioms fell out of his mouth and I thought uh-oh. I suppose we shouldn't read too much into that, the school of plastic speaking seems to be common across the police and the armed forces. It's even spreading to sportsmen. Perhaps it, is the divide to youth rather than policing tactics, it's certainly a divide I struggle to get across.
 
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dellzeqq

dellzeqq

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you can't judge the man by his first sentences. And, as Dave Hill says, he's on a hiding to nothing. The Met's reputation has taken whatever the long slow equivalent of a battering is, and that's turned in to a press feeding frenzy, fuelled, oddly, by their own supreme commander, Boris Johnson.

In fact crime has dropped continuously (despite budget cuts) and they dealt with the riots brilliantly (mostly, so I understand, because they were across the technology far faster than they were given credit for). On the minus side there's been a steady ramping up of the 'we're in charge' attitude, coming from the top. Stop and search has boomed, and Dave Hill rightly points to the TSG as a sort of London equivalent of the CRS

Strange to say it following the final of the US Open in New York that kicked it off. I was giving thanks for living in a big city, where the kind of thing that happened to BRSU in Swindon* doesn't happen - at least not often. And then..........it occurred to me that Johnson's crazed response to 'gangs' is exactly the kind of hysterical nonsense that one reads in the papers in Swindon. Perhaps, heaven help us, we're all Swindonites now.

*rammed by a minibus and then told by the police he was lucky not to get beaten up
 

ASC1951

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Never has County Hall looked more like an antheap, or, on the other hand, less like an antheap because ants work for a living and there is no work (and less thought) going on in County Hall.
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Holding our noses, we hope for better times and a better Mayor.
You will have been in a hut in Antarctica, then, throughout the incompetence and rampant croneyism of Ken Livingstone's administration?
 

ASC1951

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I'll see your Wadley and raise you a Ross/Fletcher/Watts and O'Neill. Not to mention a Lee Jasper.

Still, you're right about an "ant heap". That's what London looks like to those of us who live in more sensible parts of the country.
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