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In the longer term do you think...

Discussion in 'Pro Cycling (Road and Track Racing)' started by Stick on a Giant, 26 Jul 2007.

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  1. Yes it will help

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  2. No, it will harm it.

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  1. Stick on a Giant

    Stick on a Giant New Member

    that the publicity around doping, and the fact that entire teams are pulling out if one individual is caught, will help to clean up cycling?
     
  2. chris42

    chris42 New Member

    Location:
    Deal, Kent
    Yes but it will be very painfull to the fans.
     
  3. Yorkshireman

    Yorkshireman New Member

    I'm not entirely convinced that the 'management' on said teams are totaly ignorant re any 'performance enhancement measures' employed by riders :thumbsup:
     
  4. Blonde

    Blonde New Member

    Location:
    Bury, Lancashire
    IMO it will harm it, but only 'cos the media keep making the issue into something huge and ignoring doping in other sports.

    I agree with Yorkshireman - if a rider has been found to have access to doping procedures or to drugs, someone with close contact to his team is bringing them in; team managers, team doctors, siogneurs - if one rider has broken the doping rules, you can bet that many on the same team, if not all of them, will also deserve a slapped wrist for exactly the same!
     
  5. Is it really that different to the furore in 1998 ?

    Teams thrown out, media circus, people saying it would be a watershed and afterwards all will be clean.

    I'd like to think it is getting better, but it's a process that will take time, with many stages, not a sudden bad->good overnight
     
  6. Steve Austin

    Steve Austin The Marmalade Kid

    Location:
    Mlehworld
    98 was very different. A team was caught doping as opposed to a couple of riders this year being caught doping.

    Riders being caught and banned will help cycling.

    Riders getting away with doping will not help cycling.

    The thing that needs to happen is some decisiveness within the bodies that regulate Cycling. A rider who is caught taking anything illegal should not have the opportunity to appeal and drag out results ie Floyd.
    A rider who misses a test should get a suspension.
    A team who are found guilty of systematic doping should be banned, and the riders suspended.

    drastic action needs to happen
     
  7. Blonde

    Blonde New Member

    Location:
    Bury, Lancashire
    I don't think it will - because the media always overblow it, so that the more riders get caught and get reported, the more cycling as a sport looks stupid and not credible anymore to the general public. That's what I thought the question was about, so that's why I said 'no, it will harm it' in my first post. I've just realised that other people are interpreting the meaning of the original post differently to me though! Regarding actually 'cleaning up' cycling, I dont think news stories will make any difference as people just find better ways of getting round the tests, or use things that aren't detectable - yet, or find new things that aren't banned - yet. In the latter case they aren't 'cheating' as whatever they use hasn't been banned, but it's a good excuse when it first makes it onto the 'banned list'; 'I took this before it was banned'.
     
  8. Squaggles

    Squaggles New Member

    Location:
    Yorkshire
    No appeal ? Are you completely convinced that there are never any mistakes made ? What would you have done in the Petacchi case ? The length of the Landis case is at least in part due to the mistakes made by the testing lab .
     
  9. Steve Austin

    Steve Austin The Marmalade Kid

    Location:
    Mlehworld
    The irony of getting drawn into a a debate about whether Floyd is guilty or not is unbelievable. :thumbsup:

    So the labs need to be better. I want folk banned that are using drugs. I do Not want debate or mistakes. I want action.
     
  10. derall

    derall Über Member

    Location:
    Home Counties
    I wonder sometimes; For example, Phonak in their early days had problems with doping - perhaps having a former member of that Festina squad as the Team Coach wasn't a great idea and really they should have known better. They did try to sort things out after the Tyler Hamilton affair and thought they were on top of the problem. Until Floyd Landis.

    So now they have fixed the problem of drug abuse on the team. They disolved the team. Problem is that Phonak AG made big contributions to Swiss grass roots and everyday cycling. Their reputation as a sponsor of cycling generally is shot to hell now. Cycling as a whole loses out.
     
  11. Blonde

    Blonde New Member

    Location:
    Bury, Lancashire
    Nothing is ever that simple though. You're very idealistic, but tests are not 100% accurate, they never can be. Human error occurs on top of the fact that tests are not accurate, results go missing... it's just the same as with tests for cancer or other diseases.
     
  12. Dayvo

    Dayvo Just passin' through

    Location:
    O' slO'
    I still thinks parents will be encouraging their little darlings to hang-out on street corners terrorising pensioners, instead or saying that they should go for a nice bike ride. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
  13. Tim Bennet.

    Tim Bennet. Entirely Average Member

    Location:
    S of Kendal
    I think there are encouraging signs already:

    In '98 the riders had a sit down protest because they believed there was too much testing,

    In 2007, there was a sit down strike by riders who want more done to rid the sport of cheats.

    The superficial reporting by some media might still looks the same, but many journalists are noting these sorts of differences. And certainly many 'fans' will notice this optimistic sea change in attitudes.
     
  14. A sit-down strike which included Moreni... :thumbsup:


    What's perhaps more encouraging is
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jul07/jul26news3

    I think it's only through riders actually getting angry and active about it, informing their teams (who listen ! and are really genuinely against it ! and do something about it !) or the authorities (ditto) about other riders, or dodgy practices within their teams, including 'grassing' on their team mates/soigneurs/doctors/team management, that things will improve.

    There needs to be a lot more 'spitting in the soup'
     
  15. Keith Oates

    Keith Oates Janner

    Location:
    Penarth, Wales
    In every walk of life people cheat and try to get the edge over others, tips on horses, insider trading, the list is endless. However the authorities such as UCI still must continue the fight and try to improve the image of cycling whilst knowing that every year something new will come along that has to be found and dealt with!!!!!!!!!!!!