Internal cabling issues

[midliferider]

You mean disc brakes (as opposed to "hydraulic" and, no, Specialized' road listing:
https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/shop/bikes/road-bikes/c/road?
still have their Allez and Allez Elite with rim brakes.
https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/allez-elite/p/199474?color=322263-199474
Veering off-topic (internal cabling) with 'electronic shifting' and disc braking, imho.

Who is "forbidding" this? Isn't this just personal choice?

Sorry I should have been more specific.
Specialized entry level bikes will also have disc brakes. Therefore they will not be producing any road bikes with rim brakes. Entry level bike will be more than £1000.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Who is "forbidding" this? Isn't this just personal choice?

It's not really personal choice when almost all decent bikes come with internal cabling. Most people buying a bike would never think that its a rubbish design for maintenance. But it is.

 

[Ajax Bay]

This issue probably need a new thread on it's own.
Well newest bikes apparently don't have any cables at all. They are operated electronically, blue tooth technology.
I think specialized have decided to stop production of rim brakes. It is all hydraulic.

Going to have a second bite at this.
I agree with your implication that the merits of internal cabling, electronic shifting (have you ridden Di2 and eTap?), and Specialized production of rim-braked bikes.
Nearly all bikes with electronic shifting do not use "bluetooth" or ANT+ technology as their primary operating system (some use is made for peripherals eg satellite shift buttons on the drops).
"SRAM eTap uses neither to operate, instead relying on a proprietary wireless language to ensure a closed system. However, eTap does [transmit data to other devices (eg displays) with] ANT+.
"Modern Di2 systems use E-Tube Project as their operating system. E-Tube Project comes as a PC program and as a mobile app for iOS and Android devices. The new wireless unit, which plugs discretely into your Di2 bike, contains Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) and
ANT Private Network microchips which allow the system to communicate with other devices."
However with esoteric Campagnolo you are correct "Super Record Wireless [ergos] connect wirelessly via Bluetooth and ANT+ to the front and rear derailleurs."
"Specialized have decided to stop production of rim brake[d bikes], it is all hydraulic." thinks the OP.
It is not "all hydraulic".

Specialized entry level bikes will also have disc brakes. Therefore they will not be producing any road bikes with rim brakes. Entry level bike will be more than £1000.

Specialized still list rim braked bikes in their road listing:
https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/shop/bikes/road-bikes/c/road?
Allez and Allez Elite are "entry level" bikes and cost >£1000.
Have you info they are dropping these models, @midliferider

 

[midliferider]

Going to have a second bite at this.
I agree with your implication that the merits of internal cabling, electronic shifting (have you ridden Di2 and eTap?), and Specialized production of rim-braked bikes.
Nearly all bikes with electronic shifting do not use "bluetooth" or ANT+ technology as their primary operating system (some use is made for peripherals eg satellite shift buttons on the drops).
"SRAM eTap uses neither to operate, instead relying on a proprietary wireless language to ensure a closed system. However, eTap does [transmit data to other devices (eg displays) with] ANT+.
"Modern Di2 systems use E-Tube Project as their operating system. E-Tube Project comes as a PC program and as a mobile app for iOS and Android devices. The new wireless unit, which plugs discretely into your Di2 bike, contains Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) and
ANT Private Network microchips which allow the system to communicate with other devices."
However with esoteric Campagnolo you are correct "Super Record Wireless [ergos] connect wirelessly via Bluetooth and ANT+ to the front and rear derailleurs."
"Specialized have decided to stop production of rim brake[d bikes], it is all hydraulic." thinks the OP.
It is not "all hydraulic".

Specialized still list rim braked bikes in their road listing:
https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/shop/bikes/road-bikes/c/road?
Allez and Allez Elite are "entry level" bikes and cost >£1000.
Have you info they are dropping these models, @midliferider

A year after launching the race-focused Allez Sprint, Specialized has now revamped its classic, entry-level Allez. Two models are available, the Allez and Allez Sport, with carbon forks, clearance for up to 35mm tyres and hidden mudguard and rack mounts. Both are also disc brake-only, which marks the end of rim brakes across Specialized's whole adult bike range. With the entry-level Allez starting at £1,100, it also means you'll now need over £1,000 to buy a new Specialized drop bar road bike for the first time. How does it ride? Read on for our initial thoughts...
https://road.cc/content/tech-news/new-specialized-allez-ditches-rim-brakes-301267

 

[figbat]

When I pulled the cable out, I was hoping that outer sheath will remain inside. But there was no outer sheath running the entire length inside the frame. It was just few cm at both ends.
Well, I have learnt a lesson.

I don't get this bit. In my experience you have either:

1. The cable outer terminating at the frame entry point, meaning the inner is under tension through the frame to the exit point where another length of outer takes it to the derailleur.
2. The cable outer runs all the way through the frame.

I have examples of both in my fleet. For (1) I taped the a length of spare inner cable to the old one before removal and pulled it through, then used this to pull through the new inner - it had to be taped 'in-line' (ie end-to-end butted) rather than overlapped so that it would fit into the frame entry point. For (2) it is easy to simply pull the old inner out and run the new one through.

However this idea that there is "a few cm [of cable outer] at both ends" seems odd to me. Or have I misunderstood?

 

[midliferider]

I don't get this bit. In my experience you have either:

1. The cable outer terminating at the frame entry point, meaning the inner is under tension through the frame to the exit point where another length of outer takes it to the derailleur.
2. The cable outer runs all the way through the frame.

I have examples of both in my fleet. For (1) I taped the a length of spare inner cable to the old one before removal and pulled it through, then used this to pull through the new inner - it had to be taped 'in-line' (ie end-to-end butted) rather than overlapped so that it would fit into the frame entry point. For (2) it is easy to simply pull the old inner out and run the new one through.

However this idea that there is "a few cm [of cable outer] at both ends" seems odd to me. Or have I misunderstood?

Thanks. All comments/ replies are helpful.
Cable housing/outer did not pass all the way. It stopped at the entry to the frame.
At the exit point to the front derailleur, there was no cable housing/ outer.
But at both points there was a cable liner/ sheath. I was under the impression that this liner will be inside the frame. I will be able to pass the new cable through this liner/sheath. But it was not. Or it has been lost during the process.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

A year after launching the race-focused Allez Sprint, Specialized has now revamped its classic, entry-level Allez. Two models are available, the Allez and Allez Sport, with carbon forks, clearance for up to 35mm tyres and hidden mudguard and rack mounts. Both are also disc brake-only, which marks the end of rim brakes across Specialized's whole adult bike range. With the entry-level Allez starting at £1,100, it also means you'll now need over £1,000 to buy a new Specialized drop bar road bike for the first time. How does it ride? Read on for our initial thoughts...
https://road.cc/content/tech-news/new-specialized-allez-ditches-rim-brakes-301267

Specialised seem to have disappeared up their own fundament. Doubled the price of entry level bikes for no gain (and arguably positively detrimental, as evidenced from this thread).

Giant is the goto I guess, though they also have awful internal cabling.

Does anyone do a sensible road bike design?

 

[midliferider]

Specialised seem to have disappeared up their own fundament. Doubled the price of entry level bikes for no gain (and arguably positively detrimental, as evidenced from this thread).

Giant is the goto I guess, though they also have awful internal cabling.

Does anyone do a sensible road bike design?

For me, it is all Decathlon.
But I can now see that bikes are going the same way that cars have gone. Soon we will need to plug the bike to a computer to do diagnostic, upgrade software or reset the program to adjust gear etc.

 

[midliferider]

I am happy to say that I resolved the issue. I managed to get brake cable as I said previously.
I managed to pass a sheath/liner in to that cable.
Then remove the brake cable leaving the sheath inside the frame.
Finally pass the gear cable through that sheath.
I left as much sheath outside the frame as possible.
So next time, I can make sure that this sheath/ liner will be left inside when I remove the cable. I will have to do it soon because I forgot to put the barrel adjuster at the shifter. But I still managed to index the gears any way.
Here is what it looks like now.