Is a driver getting out of their car an act of potential aggression?

[gaz]

Because what I want to say madam...' 'Stand back! Stand back!'

He was trying to make his way past me and towards the woman, i wasn't letting that happen!
Unfortunately words will hardly ever make people learn at the road side, i was more concerned getting away from this without anyone harmed, and that meant making sure he knew what would happen if he did something and making sure he was reminded of that.

 

[Tynan]

so crossed into another lane without signalling or checking to see if it another vehicle was going to be there at the same time

I think we'd all know what to say if a car did that

 

[Riding in Circles]

so crossed into another lane without signalling or checking to see if it another vehicle was going to be there at the same time

I think we'd all know what to say if a car did that

Now now, we all know cyclists are always right.

 

[ianrauk]

so crossed into another lane without signalling or checking to see if it another vehicle was going to be there at the same time

I think we'd all know what to say if a car did that

Indeed.....

 

[magnatom]

so crossed into another lane without signalling or checking to see if it another vehicle was going to be there at the same time

I think we'd all know what to say if a car did that

Has anyone said she didn't do wrong? Do you disagree that the overtaker, both her and the car driver have a duty of care for those who they are overtaking? What poses the greater risk, a cyclist overtaking too close, or a car ? What do you think of the drivers driving following the initial incident?

 

[marinyork]

so crossed into another lane without signalling or checking to see if it another vehicle was going to be there at the same time

I think we'd all know what to say if a car did that

If you bother to watch the footage you'll actually find the cyclist is in the cycle lane for a great deal if not all of the overtake so normal rules apply and it is therefore completely the fault of the motorist. It is unimportant whether the cyclist chooses to be to the far left or far right of the lane. Moreover it was just after a set of lights at low speed and the cyclist had priority and a motorised bike was passing on the right. Like with so many arguments on cycle lanes whether it is a good idea or not is completely different from who is in the wrong.

You could make the argument that cyclist didn't give the other cyclist enough room though, that's a completely legitimate argument.

 

[barongreenback]

Does knocking on a window do anything to change the attitude of the driver or does it just serve to make yourself feel better? I can't honestly imagine many drivers being pleased to have the error of their ways being pointed out, nor would I imagine a polite word in their ear would make the blindest bit of difference to their future behaviour. Why put yourself at risk?

 

[Andrew_P]

The rear view one is by far the worst, clearly a deliberate attempt to intimidate or worse still knock her off.

 

[Mark_Robson]

If you bother to watch the footage you'll actually find the cyclist is in the cycle lane for a great deal if not all of the overtake so normal rules apply and it is therefore completely the fault of the motorist.

The way that I interpreted the situation is that she put herself into a tight position by over taking the other cyclist. The cars position was fine and TBH I don't think that she was justified in her attitude towards the driver. If a driver operated his vehicle with the same aggression that she operates her bike then I think that we would be asking for his licence.

 

[Aperitif]

If you bother to watch the footage you'll actually find the cyclist is in the cycle lane for a great deal if not all of the overtake so normal rules apply and it is therefore completely the fault of the motorist. It is unimportant whether the cyclist chooses to be to the far left or far right of the lane. Moreover it was just after a set of lights at low speed and the cyclist had priority and a motorised bike was passing on the right. Like with so many arguments on cycle lanes whether it is a good idea or not is completely different from who is in the wrong.

You could make the argument that cyclist didn't give the other cyclist enough room though, that's a completely legitimate argument.

Other viewers may notice that 'the cyclist' comes arrowing into the lane from somewhere to Gaz's right and shows no consideration for the group mentality that should have kicked in, instead of 'I'm overtaking, I'm not signalling and I'm not looking around' attitude that the cyclist displays. An act of potential aggression it could be said...

The proof of the pudding I suppose will be when you definitely see some 'bad cycling' and rush to protect a motorist from an unreasonable cyclist, in similar circumstances. Oh well.

 

[beanzontoast]

Another very good quality and thought-provoking video, Gaz. Certainly makes you reflect on these situations which are usually over too quickly to analyse - and hopefully (speaking for myself) learn something for the future.

IMHO - the cyclist and the motorist could both have been more careful in the initial overtake. You could argue until the cows come home about relative fault. What's more important is that this illustrates how potential confrontations can arise through human error.

 

[Andrew_P]

What you forget when being critical of the tap on the window is the rush a close pass gives, regardless of who is at fault (IMO this was 50/50) I am glad after the events on my commute that 99.9% of the time I am never in a postion where I can or do catch up with the culprit.

 

[fossyant]

Point to note:- is it me or were the female cyclists lights crap - I could just pick out a light on her helmet.

Driver is a nut case............

 

[Jezston]

Is there rear footage of the first incident?

Not sure what the people being arsey on this thread are getting at, but it looks like the close passed rider was well into their maneuver and was travelling straight before they passed Gaz.

No idea why people are saying "oh they didn't look and pulled out" when there is no footage of them pulling out.

 

[BentMikey]

The cyclist's overtake wasn't very good, and she gave the rider she overtook as much space as the car gave her. IMO that leaves her complaint to the driver a little hypocritical at best. She could have cycled much better, but still, that's not really what this video is about.

OTOH the driver's overtake was far worse, because he was behind her at the start and she had owned the lane when crossing the stop line. The driver pushed on when he really shouldn't have, and coupled with his aggression and his later close pass of the male cyclist leaves me feeling most concerned about his mad driving and poor attitude in the video.