TwickenhamCyclist
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RIP big fella
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-34798621
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-34798621
John Radford - driver admits roadrage killing
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When a person uses his vehicle as a weapon, IMO it's not dangerous driving, it's attempted murder... Or murder in this case. Dangerous driving is driving dangerously without thought for others on the road (ie deliberately racing at 100mph in a 30 zone as opposed to driving and not paying attention) This man clearly had a intention to do more than that. it's time that the law on dangerous driving is separated in cases like this.
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Leedsbusdriver
Every breath leaves me one less to my last
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Wonder if John would still be alive today if he hadn't had words with the driver? I know sometimes it can be hard to take a deep breath and bite your lip,but you just don't know what kind of lunatic is behind the wheel of a potential lethal weapon.
Profpointy
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spot on. It would be like charging someone who'd stabbed someone with a breach of health and safety regulations
Pale Rider
Legendary Member
Long history to this one.
The driver was convicted of the relatively new offence of causing serious injury by dangerous driving.
That was while Mr Radford was still alive.
He died - 16 months after the accident - while the driver was awaiting sentence.
This put the driver in line for causing death by dangerous driving because the old 'year and a day' rule has been abolished.
Looks like the driver has now admitted death by dangerous.
The driver was convicted of the relatively new offence of causing serious injury by dangerous driving.
That was while Mr Radford was still alive.
He died - 16 months after the accident - while the driver was awaiting sentence.
This put the driver in line for causing death by dangerous driving because the old 'year and a day' rule has been abolished.
Looks like the driver has now admitted death by dangerous.
Couldn't have put it better myself
Still not dangerous driving though is it?
Pale Rider
Legendary Member
Attempted murder is just that.
Murder can be proved by the intent to do really serious harm and the death of the victim.
There is an account of the incident towards the end of the link below.
It appears the two had an argument when both were stationary.
Mr Radford moved off first, and van driver drove into him, presumably at slow speed having just moved away.
Dreadful behaviour, deserving of prison.
But were you a juror, would you honestly say the driver was trying to kill Mr Radford, or even intended to do him really serious harm?
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/former-soldier-michael-gledhill-admits-10433526
The driver made contact with the guy on his pushbike using his vehicle. After an argument. I dont think the driver wanted to do too much harm, maybe just a bit of light mutilation.
steveindenmark
Legendary Member
Talking about a murder charge here is not appropriate. This guy had no intent to kill Mr Radford. He may have intended to frighten him of even knock him off. But even that was the case you have to prove he intended to kill him. The fact that knocking him off actually led to his death is still not proof he intended to kill him, even though his actions led to it. Manslaughter but not murder.
As it is, the minimum he is likely to be sentenced to is 6 years and I have known murderers get less than that and so it is not a bad charge.
The lesson that everyone else should learnt from this is to pack in being confrontational, the shouting and the hand gestures. Because I bet Mr Radford and his family wish he had just shrugged it off. It could happen to you.
As it is, the minimum he is likely to be sentenced to is 6 years and I have known murderers get less than that and so it is not a bad charge.
The lesson that everyone else should learnt from this is to pack in being confrontational, the shouting and the hand gestures. Because I bet Mr Radford and his family wish he had just shrugged it off. It could happen to you.
PMarkey
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- Queensbury,West Yorkshire
How was John Radford being confrontational ? he remonstrated with a fellow road user about their standard of driving and the driver then decided to knock him from his bike , I'm sorry but your statement sounds like typical victim blaming
steveindenmark
Legendary Member
I am not blaming Mr Radford for this incident.
You say remonstrated, other people may call that confrontational. Either way, it is what escalated the situation if the report is to be believed.
YahudaMoon
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Ive cycled with John many a time and if John was confrontational then he would had have a reasonable justification, His life was put in danger!
Drago
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- Suburban Poshshire
Terrible news, but I'm glad the cowardly scum at least admitted it. There's no justification for confrontation, as this death sadly demonstrates - you never gain by it and stand to lose a lot.
