Just cycled past a horrific motorcycle crash.

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thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
Completed a 70 mile audax called Tour of the Hills, which goes over too many of Surrey's toughest hills (about 7000 feet of short, sharp climbing). Finished off, and start heading back with some others.

We get just out of Send in Woking where everyone is turning around because of a crash. After getting up to the 90th mile (cycled to the start) we weren't going to be going back around on a detour so carried on up. A chap there who had his car blocking the road said to be careful of the diesel.

Anyway. Started to walk through and there was a green sports bike (Kawasaki I think) on the ground. It was in pieces. No front wheel, no rear wheel from memory - just the middle bit from the radiator down. Total right off.

There was a small "4x4", airbag had been set off and the drivers side front wheel was buckled at a right angle with the area completely crumbled in.

Finally, there was a small 'learner' motorbike which wasn't really in that good a condition, but I didn't really look that hard. It looked like a few bits had been knocked off, the numberplate wasn't on it properly...but to be honest. I thought it was a body when I was walking past so I was glad when I got closer and realised it wasn't.

There were already a couple of police cars, a fast response ambulance, the 'real' ambulance got there as we were walking through, along with a fire engine. We saw another fire engine on its way there when we got further away from it.

Now, there was a young lad (presumably on the small learner bike) who seemed to be mainly in shock, had oxygen and a blanket on along with people tending to him.

I don't know about the person on the green sports bike, I didn't see anyone else who looked like they were involved and to be honest, I would imagine the rider is now dead or close to death.

As for the car driver, other than maybe some whiplash I think I probably saw them walking around further down. Who ever was in the car would be out alive, just shocked.

Now, I do not know what happened exactly. I am glad we all had another cup of tea otherwise we may have been involved in the accident as the timings would have been close.

From what I could put together, I would believe this is what would of happened.

It is on a blind bend, 40mph limit, but you wouldn't want to take it at any more than that. Around the corner there tends to be ques and stopped traffic so you don't want to be racing around. There are a couple of warnings, a "ques likely" and a flashing speed sign.

I would have thought the green sports bike rider took the corner either, too fast or some how lost control of the bike and over shot the corner. The bike then collided with the drivers side of the mini 4x4. That sent the rider flying and bike to the ground. The learner bike behind I would have thought was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The sports bike/rider may have collided with him, or he may have had to swerve to avoid and in turn lost control of his bike and ended up on the floor.

I am not saying that it is right, but from what I saw of the aftermath and how everything was positioned, it seems to be the most logical explanation.

If anyone knows what did happen and how the sports bike rider is I'd be interested in knowing! I will look in the local paper and online (does anyone know any online paper websites covering Woking)?
 

sheddy

Legendary Member
Location
Suffolk
there may be a mention on 'visordown' or another Mcycle website in due course
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
thomas said:
Completed a 70 mile audax called Tour of the Hills, which goes over too many of Surrey's toughest hills (about 7000 feet of short, sharp climbing). Finished off, and start heading back with some others.

You sure you didn't go via AdHuez :smile:?
 

purplepolly

New Member
Location
my house
Nasty, but good of the driver to warn you of the diesel, it probably wouldn't have occurred to most people that it's such a hazard for two wheels. Come to think of it, was it from the crash and not there already?



hackbike 666 said:
70 miles? I can't even manage 7 nowadays.:blush:

Well I can but I don't enjoy it half the time.

Cheer up hackers :blush:, let's have a smile, just a little one, and then take a nice holiday
 
helloanybodyhome said:
Cheer up hackers :blush:, let's have a smile, just a little one, and then take a nice holiday

Went to work yesterday and ended up walking over London Bridge I was so out of it.I couldn't cycle it i'd already struggled for the other six miles.

I went down with a bug just clearing now.:blush:
 
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thomas

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
purplepolly said:
Nasty, but good of the driver to warn you of the diesel, it probably wouldn't have occurred to most people that it's such a hazard for two wheels. Come to think of it, was it from the crash and not there already?

He kept signalling me to go back, but it would of added another 5-10 miles onto the trip which I was not doing. He didn't really seem that bothered so he just said it'd be better to push it through as it'd be quite slippy.

I didn't really have a problem pushing it through, partly to avoid all the glass and crap on the road, also just to take it in a little bit.

Nothing on the Woking news site yet. Doubt there would be until tomorrow anyway. Have to wait and see.
 

yenrod

Guest
Funny thing about the road is that excessive speed often causes the problems yet going TOO slow does too but its mainly the former that has the upper hand !
 
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thomas

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
yenrod said:
Funny thing about the road is that excessive speed often causes the problems yet going TOO slow does too but its mainly the former that has the upper hand !

Sorry? Little confused about what you meant.
 

yenrod

Guest
thomas said:
Sorry? Little confused about what you meant.

No, Thomas - just making a sideways observation of the happening.

Fast speeds are the main causes of crashes on the road !
 
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thomas

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
User said:
Or it could have been a learner m/cyclist out with an instructor, and the 4x4 took the corner too quickly hitting the lead bike.

It's impossible to tell and a bit daft to speculate.


Hypocrite.

I actually saw the wreckage, so it is safe to say that I have a bit of a better idea of what happened than you. I didn't mention every single sight that was there but did get a pretty good idea of what actually happened.

Like I said, I did not say it was fact, but I said: "From what I could put together, I would believe this is what would of happened." I was not jumping to stereotype in blaming the sports bike rider. My Dad had a serious accident on a sports bike that was caused by the car driver being stupid. If you would like to blame the driver then they would have had to of been about a meter or two into the other lane (incredibly unlikely), or both them and the rider would have had to have been breaking the line (so 50|50).
 
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thomas

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
User said:
What is hypocritical?

You complained at me for coming up with a theory from what I actually witnessed, yet you gave a theory too...based on just what I actually shared. To your other questions, no, but then again I doubt you are too. As for the services moving stuff they didn't seem to have moved much as the only thing to have actually go over the scene was the ambulance which arrived when we were there and it had to drive over all the glass and motorbike parts. Everything else was parked at the other end.

Anyway. The aim of this thread wasn't to have an argument about what happened. What I saw wasn't pretty and there wasn't really an aim to sharing it other than for people to be careful.
 
Having witnessed first hand a m/cycle accident with a car (my bike, my mate), you would struggle to judge exactly what happened without having a 1st hand view of it unfolding.

I moved the bike a couple of feet to get it off my mates leg, but both him and the bike ended up about 200 ft away on the wrong side of the road from the point of impact (which was on our side).
 

CopperBrompton

Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
Location
London
It's certainly very dangerous to speculate publically about what may have led to an accident based on what you see afterwards.

When I was active in the IAM, we had an illustrated talk by a police crash investigator, and there were plenty of examples that seemed very obvious at first glance and turned out to have happened in a completely different way.
 
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