KP to never play for England again...

[albion]

KP is not arrogant, just badly managed.

Bad management does somewhat seem to be an ECB skill requirement.

 

[Paul99]

How many of his big scores turned games and how many were showboating in games that were beyond doubt?

Enough to earn his place along with everybody else who is considered for selection.

I don't have a problem with him not being selected. I have a massive problem with him not being considered because the powers that be don't like him.

 

[Arrowfoot]

I can't help but think that the England management are lacking. KP might be a turd but he is one of the most talented players of the modern era. Surely the management should deal with it in some way other than refusing to play one of their best assets.
Boycott was a turd as well, he used to run out his team mates if it benefited him. He was hugely arrogant and not liked by many of his fellow players, but he wasn't dropped as a result. If you are a brilliant player of any sport arrogance seems to be a fairly common trait and it needs firm management to control it. Premiership football management being a case in point.

Boycott was selfish but knew the game and played for his country. KP as player is a big hitter but is lost on all other aspects of the game. Not noted for his cricket mind is an understatement.

In the premier league, difficult players are offloaded in the transfer market. You do not have that luxury when it comes to national team and therefore have to see the drama played out.

 

[nickyboy]

Enough to earn his place along with everybody else who is considered for selection.

I don't have a problem with him not being selected. I have a massive problem with him not being considered because the powers that be don't like him.

Do you not think perhaps you're taking this a bit too seriously?

Pietersen was selected for years and isn't selected now. That's not because someone has just decided they don't like him, he's the same person as he's always been. What's happened is he is no longer playing cricket at the level he was. At his peak, everyone was willing to put up with the divisive nature of his presence. Now he's not at his peak, they're not

 

[Paul99]

Do you not think perhaps you're taking this a bit too seriously?

Pietersen was selected for years and isn't selected now. That's not because someone has just decided they don't like him, he's the same person as he's always been. What's happened is he is no longer playing cricket at the level he was. At his peak, everyone was willing to put up with the divisive nature of his presence. Now he's not at his peak, they're not

Sorry mate, but your assertion that he isn't playing cricket at the level he was is complete hogwash. How many runs did he score yesterday?

He got dumped after the Ashes series in which he was our best batsman. If he was dumped because he wasn't playing well enough, why are so many of the batsmen in that series still in the side?

 

[John the Monkey]

From the Graun;

A quick summary then:

• “Massive trust issue” between KP and ECB/Strauss means he will not be picked by England this summer.
• Strauss says a return for Pietersen is “not in the best short-term interests of the side”.
• Strauss won’t rule out a return at a later stage, though.
• Jason Gillespie is a candidate for the England coach’s role.
• Joe Root has been appointed vice captain of the Test side.
• Eoin Morgan will continue as ODI captain.

 

[User169]

From the Graun;

And he was offered an advisory role with the one-day team (notwithstanding the massive trust issue)

 

[John the Monkey]

And he was offered an advisory role with the one-day team (notwithstanding the massive trust issue)

I think it's been said officially that they want a greater separation between test and one day squads - maybe the latter will be filled with people KP hasn't upset...

 

[nickyboy]

Sorry mate, but your assertion that he isn't playing cricket at the level he was is complete hogwash. How many runs did he score yesterday?

He got dumped after the Ashes series in which he was our best batsman. If he was dumped because he wasn't playing well enough, why are so many of the batsmen in that series still in the side?

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Have a look at his batting stats in the last few series. As I previously mentioned, it isn't his performance in comparison with other English batsmen that's the issue, rather his ability to turn a game by scoring big runs, quickly. The numbers show that at an international level, he can't do it like he used to be able to
http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/8/8063/t_Batting_by_Season.html

 

[Paul99]

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Have a look at his batting stats in the last few series. As I previously mentioned, it isn't his performance in comparison with other English batsmen that's the issue, rather his ability to turn a game by scoring big runs, quickly. The numbers show that at an international level, he can't do it like he used to be able to
http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/8/8063/t_Batting_by_Season.html

But you have to compare him with other players. Why do other players who are out of form (Cook, no century for 2 years FFS) get in the side, let alone considered for selection, when they haven't been 'doing it like they used to'.

The ONLY reason he isn't being considered (as confirmed today by Strauss) is personal grudges. This isn't for the the good of English cricket, for the good of the fans or any other noble reason. It's spite. And that is what I have a problem with.

 

[psmiffy]

355 not out - but one innings against a Leics side that are not doings so well - There is no evidence that KP would fare any better than the present incumbents against quality bowling - his ground fielding and catching are not what they were - the return to county cricket would not seem to be all it is made out to be - back to the IPL in a couple of weeks - then the Caribbean until at least the second test against the Aussies

Personally I find the way the ECB has handled the whole thing a bit off - Graves seems to be a loose canon even before he starts the job - but it was always going to be messy anyway - in the past the ECB have bent over backwards to include KP and his talent in the team - they even made him captain in the first Moores regime - somehow managed to screw that up - officially rehabilitated on one occasion - and several other spates

My hope is that England can get to the winter without too many of the up and coming players tarnished/damaged by the summer tests - As an optimist I would hope that Lythe is the answer as the opener,Cooke comes good (though there there needs to be a changing of the guard in the winter), that Anderson and Broad dont break down, that one if not two of the supporting pace bowlers (perm any two out of Plunkett, Stokes, Jordan, probably not Woakes and no sign that Finn is coming into contention again), and that one of the up and coming spinners get it together - maybe Rashid is the man - he has done his time in the wilderness

 

[Chromatic]

355 not out - but one innings against a Leics side that are not doings so well - There is no evidence that KP would fare any better than the present incumbents against quality bowling - his ground fielding and catching are not what they were - the return to county cricket would not seem to be all it is made out to be - back to the IPL in a couple of weeks - then the Caribbean until at least the second test against the Aussies

Personally I find the way the ECB has handled the whole thing a bit off - Graves seems to be a loose canon even before he starts the job - but it was always going to be messy anyway - in the past the ECB have bent over backwards to include KP and his talent in the team - they even made him captain in the first Moores regime - somehow managed to screw that up - officially rehabilitated on one occasion - and several other spates

My hope is that England can get to the winter without too many of the up and coming players tarnished/damaged by the summer tests - As an optimist I would hope that Lythe is the answer as the opener,Cooke comes good (though there there needs to be a changing of the guard in the winter), that Anderson and Broad dont break down, that one if not two of the supporting pace bowlers (perm any two out of Plunkett, Stokes, Jordan, probably not Woakes and no sign that Finn is coming into contention again), and that one of the up and coming spinners get it together - maybe Rashid is the man - he has done his time in the wilderness

It was against Leicestershire was it? A couple of run of the mill county players put nearly 400 on for the third wicket against them last year for Gloucestershire, beating the previous record from god knows when when Hammond was one of the batsmen.

 

[Dayvo]

Already Andrew Strauss has proved, IMO, that he is not fit for the job.

Personal differences SHOULD NOT be reasons for not selecting Pietersen. He is a class player, full of confidence and determination, and would be a very useful asset against NZ and Australia this summer.

Regardless of his so-called 'popularity' in the team, he has been there and done it: and for those who say he only scores runs when the match is decided or is showboating, have a look at this and see how many big runs he scored in the first innings of a Test match.

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat.asp?PlayerID=3238

Regardless of the result this summer, England cricket is in a dark place, and as I've been saying for years, the whole set-up has to change, not least the administrative and bureaucratic side of things. It's all about money, power and control.

 

[green1]

Is he a pain the one are, without doubt but he's a match winner. Teams have them. I mean we have 3 in the team I play for. They've got rid of some dead wood in moores but replaced it with more dead wood in strauss. And if he's appointing the coach I bet the MCC coaching manual is awaiting a call.

 

[Dayvo]

And if he's appointing the coach I bet the MCC coaching manual is awaiting a call.

I think that Colin Graves is going for that well-known Tyke, Jason Gillespie, current coach of Yorkshire, Graves' county, despite saying that Strauss calls the shots. Yeah, right!