London-Edinburgh-London 2013: The thread

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Greenbank

Über Member
I have a couple of question about times

No idea of start times yet. From what I heard there may just be a morning start although riders will be set off in groups (rather than launching 500+ riders off in one go).

You get the full time allowance no matter what start time you are given.

LEL 2009 had two sets of start times, 8am to 10am and 2pm to 4pm.

I started at 8.30am and got to Thorne (320km) by 2am (a bit slower than I'd wanted but didn't matter). That was fine for me to get some sleep.

Personally I wouldn't have liked to get an afternoon start but plenty of people did and survived. Many just carried on until early the next morning when they'd built up enough of a time buffer for a sleep, some went right through the first night and slept at the end of the second night.

You'll know more about how you handle riding through the night, and sleep deprivation, once you start doing 400 and 600km rides. No point planning anything until you know how/when your body needs sleep.
 

Glover Fan

Well-Known Member
In 2009 it was 116h I think. For those who want to start worrying/panicking now there is useful info over on yacf on 2009 event
http://yacf.co.uk/fo...96242#msg396242
Very interesting stuff!

Sounds really good, but more mammoth a task than perhaps I was thinking.

I've done the 3 peaks challenge, which I loved and found pretty easy. I actually drove 75% of the challenge and didn't sleep at all from 6am at the foot of Ben Nevis, til I drove back from Snowdon and got back to Coventry at 3pm the very next day, so I know I can deal with sleep deprivation fairly well. The 3 peaks challenge is a 26ish mile walk, obviously climbing mountains.

Is it the sleep deprivation that is the hardest part? The cycling aspect is probably quite easy?
 

yello

back and brave
Location
France
Is it the sleep deprivation that is the hardest part? The cycling aspect is probably quite easy?

In truth, I suppose the hardest part would well be unknown in advance, it depending on variable factors. For me, in 2009, I thought numb butt and getting on the bike day after day would be the hardest part - but I was wrong. It was the wind and rain in Scotland and an achilles problem. The latter reducing me to and average of around 14kph for the last 48 hours! But I finished with a little time to spare... not much though, under the hour as I recall! I felt rough though. Without that injury, I would have been in well within time.

So I believe it entirely possible to complete it without lack of sleep. It depends on how much sleep you need and how quickly you ride. It's within the reach of many to manage 5 or 6 hours sleep each 24 and still complete in time. Go for it.
 

DrMekon

Über Member
Cambridge 300 on Saturday. I've been reading too many Jan Heine & Kent Peterson articles; I suspect I am going to try something stupid.

So I did do something stupid. Here are my extended impressions for those that don't read the other place.

Having read too many Jan Heine and Kent Peterson accounts, I imagined I might be able to do the 300 in Cyclo Montagnards R70 pace. My reasoning was that my fastest 200km is outside R60 pace, so I knew that wasn't an option, and my wife was expecting me to be 15hrs or thereabouts from last years Mildenhall 300, which was my first calendar event. I knew from that that long stops didn't do me any favours, and last month's 8h24m 200km taught me that trying to keep up with someone else made me feel ragged, even if I was sheltered from the wind more often than not. I concluded that if I could stick to a 25kph moving average, carried my own food and ate on the go, and didn't fanny about at the controls, 14hrs was possible. I decided that I would do what it took to keep the overall average on my Garmin above 22kph when I left controls. However, that was before I saw the forecast of an easterly and realised its implications for the section between Deeping and Chatteris. Still, I loaded up my water bottles with double strength SIS Go and filled my Nelson with 8 chocolate flapjacks (1 for each section) and some freebie Zipvit goo sachets.

A late initial departure, followed by recalling my wife's injunction not to forget the bins just as I was setting off meant a fast spin down to Hauxton. The start was busy. I think I recognised Gareth at the start from his picture (pannier on the LHS?), and Bendy Bianchi arrived just in time for the start having been delayed by the closure of the M11. I also recognised Nick, the CCC TT sec who I did a leg-frying DIY with (along with JJ) last year. Terry called the Cambridge CC riders to the road for a photo op, then quickly waved us off. Nick quickly tore off the front and myself and Bendy Bianchi (Chris) decided to "chase him down". It meant we got through the level crossing before it went red, but we only stayed with him until the rise before Newton. He rapidly disappeared. Chris and I spun along at 29kph or thereabouts for this first section to the manned control at Wallington, where we unexpectedly found Terry at the green beforehand getting ready, with no sign of Nick. Apparently Terry had passed a message around but we'd missed it, and so had Nick. Terry held us there for 6 minutes, and we left as a group with a big bunch of riders who also arrived before the sticker were available. I did a few minutes on the front, seeing Nick coming the other way, before taking a wrong turn at the first opportunity, despite having Terry's track displayed on my GPS. This was a bit of a lietmotif for me.

A large bunch of us stayed together as far as the second control at Thurleigh. Terry had warned that if we were quick, it would be closed. However, they appeared to have opened early as the doors were open before the specified time. Myself, Chris, Ivan and Graham from SimonP's triclub, and a chap called Travis from Portland set off after 14 minutes, 5 minutes or so after the allowed time. The section to Earls Barton was a steady spin at 27-28kph. By this time, all thoughts of my plan to stick it out on my own at 25kph had been forgotten, and I was happy chatting to the rest of the group, who were all much more experienced cyclists than me. My GPS track is a bit of a mess in Earls Barton, so I can't see how long we stopped for, but it looks about 5 minutes; I refilled my drinks bottles and faffed with my GPS. We left the village about 10 minutes after the time allowed. I think Chris set off before the rest, and Travis, Ivan, Chris and I left together, rapidly passed by Nick.

The section from Earls Barton to Market Harborough was a bit more lumpy, and our speed varied a bit more. I really can't remember anything about this section other than a few hills, chatting to Travis about his frame (handbuilt by a friend in Portland; very pretty), and a couple of small bridges. We arrived at Market Harborough at dead on the specified time, and stopped for 20 minutes, where Chris appeared from a side street. He and Travis watched the bikes whilst we took turns to visit cafes / cash points, etc. I apparently broke a cardinal rule of Cafe Nero by helping myself to a muffin from the open counter which had openings that appeared only to be accessible to the customer. Oh well.

Chris shot off before us, and as set off on the section to Wymondham, we were joined by another rider on a Kinesis RacelightT2 (John, IIRC). As it started to get more hilly we rejoined Chris, but Travis dropped off the back a few times, and soon asked us to keep going, which was the last we saw of him. This was the part of the ride where I felt strongest, and was really happy with with the short, sharp hills and interesting scenery. The bit near Tilton on the Hill was particularly fun, and at times felt like a rollercoaster.

We arrived at The Windmill at Wymondham at about 1.30pm, so pretty much dead on the specified 25kph moving average (3 minutes late). Nick and a chap on a fixed with monster chainring appeared to be in the middle of a feast when we arrived. By this point, whilst riding I'd already consumed 5 chocolate flapjacks, 1.5 litres of energy/electrolyte goop, 4 bottles of blue powerade, a ice mocha, 2 packets of ready salted crisps and a spiced apple muffin. Despite that, I ordered a slice of coffee and walnut cake and a chocolate ice cream when I got my bottles refilled, as I can usually just throw food down my throat on an audax, and the exercise physiologist in my research group at work had suggested that eating as much as I could tolerate was the best approach. Ivan, Graham and John ordered soup, as they figured it would be the quickest item on the menu. Chris shot off quite quickly, but I figured my cake and ice cream were imminent. However, nothing happened for 20 minutes, and when we went back in, 3 of the staff were just standing around. They seemed surprised when I asked about the whereabouts of my food and immediately handed it over. We eventually got away after a total stop of 35 minutes. I hear it's usually great in there.

Section 6 was over to Market Deeping. I recall it being a bit of a slog, but the GPS suggests we were ripping along at over 30kph for long sections. I really can't pull much out of my memory banks. I recall arriving at Market Deeping (GPS suggests around 3.50pm) and being greeted by the aroma of chips with lashings of salt and vinegar. I suggested stopping for some, despite having managed to get another flapjack down, but I think the other three thought I was joking. We all grabbed receipts from the cashpoint and Graham grabbed a round of bottled water, during which time Chris emerged from somewhere over my shoulder. We were away by 4pm.

Section 7 is where it started to go a bit awry for me. I think I'd slightly overdone it on the last section, trying to do my share on the front. However, this section was where I needed to do my bit, as it was very exposed and straight into the wind. I've never ridden with a club, or done any group riding outside the 3 audax I've done previously. The others had phrases that involved certain rotations, and peeling off in particular directions, and the like. I felt quite out of my depth, and started to find the pace and changes in speed really hard going. I soon found that I wasn't being left on the front for long. By this point, I'd started to feel quite sick, and breathing hard made me want to wretch. Eventually, we made the turn at Thorney, which put the wind behind us. Further respite emerged, as at this point we were offered a stop at one of the groups in-laws at Whittlesey. It turned out they were keen cyclists, and had but on a wonderful spread of tea and cakes. A 30 minute stop with several cups and 3 hot cross buns ensued. I spent some time laid out on the grass with my boots off, and eventually I felt somewhat restored. We continued on towards Chatteris, but when we hit the wind again, I began to struggle with nausea again, and soon wasn't able to stay on the back even, let alone do anything useful on the front. The rest of the group were very generous, and formed an echelon formation (new to me), and explained where I should sit. It was like being hoovered along. Despite that, somewhere along the B1093 towards Doddington, I lost the will to try to keep up, and fell back. Chris generously offered to ride with me, and the other three sped along. We quickly caught them again as they missed the turn to Dykemoor Drove. Fortunately, the bumpy road surface suited my 30mm tyres better than Chris' 23s, so I didn't feel like I was holding him up too much, and quickly felt better because of the reduced pace. At the petrol station at Chatteris we ran into Ivan and Graham again. We stopped for just 2 minutes at Chatteris to grab receipts, leaving at about 6.20pm.

The last section to Hauxton was at a decent pace due to the strong tailwind. Graham had a dinner party to get to, and the fast 3 sped on only to immediately take a wrong turn as they were out of earshot. It was several km later that they repassed us, so the detour must have been significant. The gps suggests we were doing a steady 30km on this stretch, and we soon hit Cambridge. By this point, I just wanted a cup of tea and a sit down, so we put the hammer down a bit, and I ignored the pretty bits at the backs. Despite sticking around 29kph through Cambridge, a young couple riding pretty fixies few by us. The wind got really strong as we passed hit the A10, and the last section down to Hauxton was at over 40kph in places. We arrived at the village hall with 7.57pm showing on the GPS, to find the faster riders tucking into soup. Chris and I were 5th and 6th home, as Graham had gone direct to his party.

Terry was dishing up more soup and bread as we arrived, along with the much longed for tea. I settled in. Recollections of the day followed and my wife, still on a high from the news that her 15 year wait for her beloved QPRs return to the top flight was over, told me not to hurry home. I sat around for 50 minutes, during which time Malcolm and another rider from Cambridge rolled in. Malcolm had experienced the same nausea as me, which we both found produced gagging when taking deep breaths. I had a gentle pootle back home, arriving with 335km on the clock for the day. It's only today, 2 days later, that it has really passed. I realised I'd overdone it when the bottle of Old Thumper waiting for me tasted much too strong for me. Still, the morning after I managed 3 breakfasts.

The positives I'll take away from it are
1. The 5000km I've done since January have put me in better shape than the 8200km I'd done before last year's Mildenhall 300 had put me in.
2. Compared to then, losing 1.3kg off my tyres, losing the steel expedition rack, and 3kg off my belly, along with a steady discipline of attacking the local hills in a gear equivalent to 68 has made me enjoy what limited hills Rutland offered up, despite what I had in my bag.
3. On local terrain, I can chug along at 26-27kph fairly happily.
4. I am getting better at moving through controls efficiently.
5. No recurrence of the bike fit problems I was having; a hellbent post with 40mm of layback, combined with 135mm stem solve the short top tube problem. Also, not a bit of hand, saddle or knee pain. Legs felt pumped the next day, but no other aches or pains.

The negatives are
1. I can't do long stints at 30kph+, even when my fellow riders are happy for me to take less than my fair share at the front, and when I try this makes me feel ill and sad. I need to drop off the back earlier or resist the temptation to try to stick with faster riders (stories of massive Ironman experience from more than one group member, whilst very interesting, should be taken as a warning, as should the presence of bikes that weigh less than your saddlebag).
2. Eating as much as I can combined with going harder than I was equipped to didn't work for me, and I now realise there are limits to my "eat as much as possible" strategy that has worked up to now.
3. My bike is much, much heavier than the others I rode with, partly because it is what it is (a steel tourer with clearance for 42mm tyres and mudguards, with 36h touring wheels), but partly because of what I carried. I need to think more about what I can take out of my bag.* It's really not the tool for group riding where speeding up and slowing down is part of the game.
4. Even when using the jwo/frankie named waypoint/wiggly track/invisible route method, I can still misread a gps
5. I don't know anything about group riding techniques.

Overall, a brilliant ride for me. Despite feeling grotty for a bit, I hit my target and I did more in the group than I have when I've got caught up with fast groups previously. I'm going to read the stuff on audax indigestion and look into group riding info. Ideally, I'd go on some club rides, but work/family probably precludes that. My wheels will soon have done 20000km, and there's currently about 1.3mm on the rims, so I'll probably look at getting something a bit lighter. I need to thing about what I carry in my bag. Suggestions on what to drop for my 600 at Seething would be very welcome.

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*My Nelson Longflap contained
A spare Schwalbe Marathon Racer
2x spare inner tubes
Some homemade tyre boots
3x tyre levers
2 spoke keys
An emergency spoke (kevlar thingy)
A multitool
A proper chain tool
several power links and a few spare links
Spare gear, brake and straddle cables
5 reusable zipties
8 chocolate flapjacks
bonk rations (several gels and an energy bar)
A waterproof jacket
Rainlegs
Some antihistamines
An asthma inhaler

It weighed 3.5kg!
 

zigzag

Veteran
interesting and comprehensive write up DrMekon. i think staying at the front at whatever cost is not a good strategy. it's good to go a bit faster in the first couple of stages to build time buffer, but if you feel that you are going flat-out it's better to slow down. it will make the ride more enjoyable.

on my last 400k (brevet cymru) i was in the first group until the first steeper hill at 31km, where i saw that the effort to keep up would be too great, so slowed down and rode at my own pace, taking photos and enjoying scenery. it's fun to go fast for some time, but not at expense of overall joy and satisfaction (is it fun to look at someone's bum for most of the day, to be concentrated on the distance to someone's rear wheel?)

although i agree that "it's not about the bike", but several things combined (heavier tyres, more "stuff" in the saddlebag) do require more energy to stay with the fast group. glad you finished ok and had a great day out on a bike - that's what audax is about after all.
 

AudaxUK

Regular
I'll try and answer some of the questions I've noticed on this thread.

As this will be an international event, we will have to follow international rules. So, minimum speed will be 12kph, for a distance of 1400km. The actual route is likely to be about 1440km.

Event start will be between 07:30 and 10:15 on Sunday 28 July 2013, with riders departing in groups ever 15 minutes, subject to police agreement. There is a growing likelihood of a central London 'depart fictif', early Sunday morning, for those who want to start in town. This will not form part of the official distance, and the route will go to Loughton for the main start.
 

PpPete

Legendary Member
Location
Chandler's Ford
LEL (preparation) starts here.....

Rode a DIY 200 over the first and last legs of the 2013 route, yesterday. 229 km to be precise (with a start slightly off the southbound route). 10h00 riding time, 10h29 total. Mostly fairly flat, but hard work in the wind.

Going south from Debden, the hill up into Thaxted, although quite short, is surprisingly steep - and will feel steeper with 1300 km in the legs. Definitely one for the granny ring !
 

alans

black belt lounge lizard
Location
Staffordshire
I have this ride on my list of things to do.Please put me on the map, a gnats whisker to the south-east of Stoke-on-Trent.
 

DrMekon

Über Member
Done my just done my 1st 600 - The Seething 600. Just a 400 to do for my 1st SR. Either going to turn the Dunwich Dynamo into a 400, or do the West & Midland 400. Here's my write up...
First off - massive thanks to Keith & Sue and all the helpers, especially boab, bottlemasher and chris s, whose friendly banter helped my sanity no end. Apologies for subjecting you to my blabbering. It was the best organised fun I've had in ages. I had a cracking time, despite pretty poor prep on my part - the organisation of the ride more than compensated - thank you all so much!

I drove over with only 2h50m of sleep in the bank (up until gone midnight faffing), and nursing the remnants of a chest infection. However, I had 6 weeks of caffeine abstinence banked, a packet of pro plus, a packet of ibuprofen, tubes of ibuprofen gel and bumpanthen, and 1.2kg of flapjack (not the 6kg I told boab I had when tired at the end).

I got to the start at 5am, and recognised Chris S and Marcusjb. Chris had offered to set up my luxury camp bed. I settled in with a hearty breakfast. As soon as I saw movement, I put my plan into action.

After some really helpful advice from teethgrinder via PM, I'd decided to try to keep my moving average around 25kph and my total average before the sleep stop around 22kph; ie no hanging about at controls. To make that work, I carried enough flapjack in my tri-bag to eat 200g (~1000kcal) every 100km. At the start, I shot off in the light drizzle (no need for waterproofs all ride for me), only to be rapidly overhauled by the VC167 guys. Was keeping to the plan, so didn't make any attempt to wheelsuck. At 20km, I got the first puncture of the ride, and was informed that I was lanterne rouge as I was patching it (9 minutes stopped). The plan then became "hurry up". I tried to spot YACFers on my way back up the field, but only spotted Feline. To the rest of you - you miserable buggers - I was wearing a veritable YACF team strip of buff, top (ok, obscured by my gilet, but visible), and a pin badge on my bag. I reckon I got maybe a 25% return on my hellos. I counted 9 punctures including my by the time I got to the Crowfield control, just as marcusjb was leaving. I did my business and set off after him.

Marcus misrepresents me as quick - I was pushing to keep up with him; he was tearing along. Was really nice to have some company, and we made short work of the leg to Dunwich. Caught up with the back wheel of Halloween on his yellow Roberts, but other than a quick call at some traffic lights, he was pulling away from us most of the time. At Dunwich (10:08), I ordered what was deemed to be "the gayest audax breakfast ever" - a double chocolate ice cream sunday with a tinsel streamer. I wolfed it down whilst everyone else was eating fryups and the like (17 minutes stopped), and was first to leave the control - I was back on schedule.

The leg to Thornham walks was slow and steady, and I think about 5 people passed me on the way. Boab was there with boablet and a pal, and I was promised cake at Swaffham. By this point, I'd consumed 600g of flapjack, so wasn't in need of sustenance (arrived 12.20pm, stopped for 8 minutes). I was first to leave the control again, but rapidly joined by the younger of the VC167 riders. We chatted for a bit, but he was always half a wheel ahead of me, and eventually he took off. A few more people passed me on the way to Red Lodge, and by the 180k mark, I started to feel a bit shabby; <3hrs sleep isn't good prep. I started thinking about having a sleep in a field, and my moving pace dropped to ~22kph, then I remembered - caffeine tablets. Wow! Within 10 minutes I was ripping along at 27kph. I was 4th or 5th to red lodge, and was fortunate to have a biker who wanted to chat at the cafe to whom I could blab to. I had a plate of mushroom and chips and apple pie and ice cream here, and was 3rd or 4th away (arrived 14.42, stopped 29 minutes).

The leg to Swaffham was some of the dull roads that the Mildenhall 300 was on, but was much enhanced by an epic tailwind. I didn't see anyone other than briefly chatting to a guy who was suffering with Achilles problems, which then lead to a 5km detour as I got confused what colour track I should be following on the GPS and started following the route out before I got to the control. Chris & helper were great at the control, and dispensed boab's delicious cafe. I made use of the track pump, whose gauge revealed 70 strokes of my mini pump had my back tyre at 40psi. Topping it up to 85 made the bike feel considerably more spritely (arrived 17.13, stopped 6 minutes).

I can't remember anything much about the section back to HQ, other than briefly not being able to figure out a way through the park and ride and getting a second puncture (tube swapped). I arrived back at just after 8pm, where bottlemasher went above and beyond looking after me - much appreciated. Had the superb soup with delicious bread and a bowl of rice pud. I also patched the tube that I punctured. I stopped for 33 minutes, before heading off to Garboldisham.

The night stage was awesome - no wind, nice temperature. I was running a new Cyo and 2x Ixon IQs, so I went at a decent pace and arrived at 10.36. It took me a few minutes to work out how to get to the pavillion. Grabbed some malt loaf and crisps and a cup of tea and was back out the door 9 minutes later. Back at HQ in Seething by 00.40. I grabbed some more food and the info question from Keith, and was asleep by 01.00 with my alarm set for 4am. That banked me 3hrs sleep - chris had done a top job setting up the bed, which was unbelievably comfy.

I was back on the bike by 04.18, and promptly set off on the wrong route. I passed through Castle acre some time after 07.00, and pressed on towards Wells. At some point, a guy who I'd ridden with on the Cambridge 300 pass me, shortly followed by the VC167 guys going hammer and tongs. They shouted "breakfast at wells" as they went by. The section from HQ was really pretty - loved the fords and the hills. I know the area around Wells reasonably well from a holiday in Blakeney, so it was a treat to be back there. I arrived at 09.03, where I grabbed and espresso and a chocolate milk, and was away 15 minutes later. The VC167 guys were embarking on a substantial culinary endeavor, but the other chap had pressed on towards Wayford Bridge.

I can't say I remember too much about this section. For some reason, I'd got it in my head that I wanted to be back at HQ before 2pm so I could call my son before he started his fun run, but my brain couldn't do the maths, and kept saying I'd be back at 2.30pm. Arrived at the family control at Wayford Bridge at 11.45, where Harvey was sporting a VC167 cap - very cool, where I caught the guy I'd ridden with before. I grabbed some food, complimented the hosts, and was out on the road again 5 minutes later with that chap close behind.

I didn't much enjoy being on the front, as I kept waiting to be passed. Fortunately, I got myself in a complete pickle with the GPS at a junction by Billockby, and rode a couple of km out to Fleggburg. After gathering myself, I figured out where I'd gone wrong, and head back in the right direction. I arrived at the Reedham Ferry at 13.16 to see it chugging over with the other chap on board. I was back on the bike 6 minutes later. The final schlep over to HQ was under gathering dark clouds, and I had started to get paranoid that I would get another puncture from the flint shrapnel littering the middle of the lane. Fortunately, I escaped both unscathed, and it had just started to spit when I arrived second back at 13.52, 6 minutes after the first chap (John on a Kinesis that I rode with on my 300).

More than made up for my lack of faffing at the controls at the end, and didn't manage to get away for ages - packing up felt impossible, and it was fun chatting. The drive home was the hardest part for me. My eyes felt ruined (bottlemasher commented that they looked rough), but I was too wired to sleep. Pulled over several times, and topped up on a couple of cans of red bull.

What worked
1. sticking to a slow, steady pace & not getting sucked into a pack
2. eating flapjack on the go - no faffing about at controls
3. gilet, ss jersey, thick arm warmers
4. uber-comfy camp bed
5. carrying 2 litres of electrolyte drink on the bike

What sucked
1. tri-berry flavour Nuun tablets (had two packs, citrus was nice)
2. leg warmers, which caused by shorts to ride up and make me sore for a bit
3. Blackburn mini-pump
4. My clever dick automagic location triggered tweeting of my location - oops forgot to check that I'd registered my new phone with twitter (I hadn't), so tweets didn't come through, and virtually no 3g signal to let the emails come through. My wife was not reassured when the auto-respond to sms with a google maps link packed up at 1am and didn't work again until after lunch on Sunday.

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Breakfast at Dunwich (100km)
 

Dan_h

Well-Known Member
Location
Reading, UK
Hi All,

this is my first post here and also my commitment to have a go at LEL 2013! If you would like to add me to the map I am in Reading.

I have quite a lot to learn about this, I consistently ride over 100 miles per week commuting and have completed a 100km sportive, never done an Audax though (having a go at my first on the 10th September!).

Dan
 

the snail

Guru
Location
Chippenham
Hi All,

this is my first post here and also my commitment to have a go at LEL 2013! If you would like to add me to the map I am in Reading.

I have quite a lot to learn about this, I consistently ride over 100 miles per week commuting and have completed a 100km sportive, never done an Audax though (having a go at my first on the 10th September!).

Dan

Welcome to the forum Dan. I sent my entry off today for the Reading audax -I'm guessing that'll be the one you're doing?
 

Dan_h

Well-Known Member
Location
Reading, UK
It is the "Down the Ups" ride (at least I think that is what it is called), starting from Beech Hill. Perhaps I will see you there if you are doing the same one?
 

PpPete

Legendary Member
Location
Chandler's Ford
Being thoroughly inspired by the reports from PBP.

Did my first 300 (the Rough Diamond) in fractionally under 15 hours (with a lot of help from "towing" group).
My next ride is Tour de Didling 100k (but done as a 200 km ECE from home, so as to justify the vast amounts of food on offer at the El Supremo control)

OH will be doing "Up the Downs" as her first 200.

Planning to do more 300s and at least one 400 (the National looks a good bet for this) and hopefully one 600 next year.
 
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