Look, Cervelo, a Giant Bianchi!

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Bicykell

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Location
Cumbria
Almost makes sense...but not quite.

This afternoon, in my search for a road bike around £1300 I inevitably was seduced by the offerings above the price I wanted to pay.
So, I had a go on four bikes, a Look655 (2014 model) a Cervelo R2, a Giant Defy Advanced 1 and a Bianchi Intenso Veloce.

It ended up being a shoot out between the Look and the Bianchi....except that I had forgotten what the Cervelo was like.

The one I was surprised to reject most easily was the Giant. It seemed to have none of the features I found so seductive and all that I found unattractive on the other bikes I tried. The ride was harsh on bad surfaces, yet the handling lacked the feedback I found engaging on the others I tried. I was most surprised by the disc brakes, which had made my naive little eyes light up. Disc brakes! Modern! Be the envy of your friends! So, when I got up speed and pulled gently on the levers....nothing happened. So I pulled harder - and I slowed down. As you do. But modulation? Grip? Eyeballs shooting out of their sockets like Chapel hat pegs? Nope. Just brakes. I'm sure they will be better in the wet than calipers, but I won't be going out in the wet. If I'm going out when it's raining, I'm going on the Sirrus, complete with mudguards and big fat tyres on big fat heavy wheels. The Ultegra gears worked fine - if you told me they are better than 105s I would not disagree, but their superiority was overshadowed by the other issues.

I was disappointed in the Giant. I had expected it to be much more engaging.

The Bianchi! Oh I really liked the look of it, bright red, as red as a red bike on a red day. Which I suspect would start to make me feel a bit conspicuous as I lumber and wheeze along. And it was such a sweet ride. The Campag gears, the supple handling, it was gorgeous until I tried the drops. I don't think I would have lasted long down there. Like the Giant, I felt almost upside down and my back was creaking after a few hundred yards. But everything else, the handling, the way it shot forward when I pushed the pedals, the precise steering. Maybe I could do something about the drops.......

The Look 655 was a 2014 model. It handled sweetly, rode smoothly over rough cobbles and is a lovely bike. The drops felt more comfortable and the gears, good old 105s, rock solid. Up, down, clickety click. I felt most at home on the Look because the ride was so comfortable and it all just...worked.

The Cervelo C2 was another looker. The trouble is that I can't think of anything that it did badly, and I can't think of anything that made it memorable, but that's my fault. I should have had another go on it, and I will before making a final decision.

Which is where you come in, if you're still with me. Tenacious, aren't you? Patient also. What would you do?

I think I would be very happy with the Look. I suspect I might fall in love with the Bianchi - if only it wasn't so bloody RED....and I should try the C2 again.

Head equals Look. Heart equals Bianchi, with different bars perhaps. The C2 could still pip them both.

Your advice please. Also, if you have a Giant Defy Advance 1, take no notice of my opinion. I know nowt, me.

Thanks Mike at Palace Cycles Carlisle for your forbearance, patience and help.
 

Kbrook

Guru
On the looks I would say Bianchi., but if you are uncomfortable the looks are irrelevant.
 

Saluki

World class procrastinator
What is wrong with Red? My bike is a serious blue colour and people comment on it's prettiness as a colour. In fact the colour is so gorgeous that people fail to notice the fat bird on board it. If the Bianchi is that conspicuous a colour, the chances are that people won't notice the wheezing. Bars can be changed for more comfy ones, if you love it.
 
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Bicykell

Bicykell

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Cumbria
Having slept on it over the weekend, I'm no nearer apart from being reminded that the hall floor needs replacing. And a new front door.
 

Citius

Guest
Were tyre pressures equal between all the bikes you tried? If not, ride them again. Presume you mean Look 556, not 655 - and Cervelo R2, not C2? I only say that because the 655 and C2 don't exist.. ;)
 
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Bicykell

Bicykell

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Cumbria
Sorry about the dyspraxia re the Look, you're quite right, it is a 566. It might explain why I can't find any dates for Manchester Untied fixtures.
Which is possibly why the R2 became a C2 half way through my ramble.
No wonder I can't make my nimd up. And I alopogise again, they weren't deilferate miksates.
 

Citius

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Sorry about the dyspraxia re the Look, you're quite right, it is a 566. It might explain why I can't find any dates for Manchester Untied fixtures.
Which is possibly why the R2 became a C2 half way through my ramble.
No wonder I can't make my nimd up. And I alopogise again, they weren't deilferate miksates.

No apology needed. But the point about tyre pressures is worth bearing in mind. Pressure can make a big difference to a bike's feel - and if there is so little difference between those bikes anyway, then at least you can compare them with consistent pressure. Might help - might not.
 
My apologies if I am stating the obvious, but the point about dropped handlebars is that you rarely ride on the drops. Watch the pro's. Most of the time they are gripping the top bend. The idea of drops is that you have a massive variety of hand positions and a more even spread of weight over your body. If you are put off drops because you think you have to ride in a low position, that is not the whole story. Most people only use the dropped position for riding into the wind or screaming descents where you might need a big handful of brake lever.
 
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Bicykell

Bicykell

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@Citius
No apology needed. But the point about tyre pressures is worth bearing in mind. Pressure can make a big difference to a bike's feel - and if there is so little difference between those bikes anyway, then at least you can compare them with consistent pressure. Might help - might not.
yes all the tyres were at 100.
My apologies if I am stating the obvious, but the point about dropped handlebars is that you rarely ride on the drops. Watch the pro's. Most of the time they are gripping the top bend. The idea of drops is that you have a massive variety of hand positions and a more even spread of weight over your body. If you are put off drops because you think you have to ride in a low position, that is not the whole story. Most people only use the dropped position for riding into the wind or screaming descents where you might need a big handful of brake lever.
Yes, I know I would rarely ride on the drops, but when I do I don't want to feel unsafe and unstable. The brake levers seemed almost beyond reach. I felt that the
Look fit me better.
I did 34 miles on the sirrus today, very hilly stuff, and my wrists hurt, my right knee hurt at the back and my left knee hurt at the front after about 25 miles.
My idea and aim is to go further more comfortably. That makes me lean towards the Look. But I'll probably change my mind again tomorrow.
 
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Bicykell

Bicykell

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Cumbria
@Bicykell out of interest what did you think of the Campag gears on the Bianchi?
Lovely on the rear, I found the idea of a button and lever works well. The front needed a long firm push on the lever but worked fine. I was unable to try it on any hills so don't know what it would be like under strain - on my Sirrus cheapo shimano everything feels nice and sweet but grinds and graunches if I don't change early enough.
 
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Bicykell

Bicykell

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I had another go on the Cervelo today, and on the Look.
The C2 is a brilliant bike, but it's not for me. I want something less highly strung - I felt insecure on it. But it went like stink. If I wanted to develop into racing, and I was more experienced it might be a great choice, but I don't.
 

Boyfrom64

Veteran
Location
Tamworth
@Bicykell interesting to hear your thoughts on the Cervelo. So does this mean you are going for a Look OR, or are you going to take another look at the RED Bianchi?

Just to throw another curve ball, have you considered a steel frame?

I have to admit I am quite taken with a Condor Acciaio / Super Acciaio; especially in a Bluey Green very similar to the Bianchi Celleste. Not sure mind you that my budget will stretch to the Super Acciaio.
 
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