Lost Prophets - is it still ok to listen to their stuff?

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vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
It's perfectly OK to listen to Lost Prophets.

I wouldn't turn my radiogram off if if the Home Service played a Gary Glitter melody.

I will still play my Roy Harper records.

My Police record is for CRB checks only though.
 
Us old 'uns have had to do without Jonathan King so I don't see why you kids can't miss out on Lost Prophets
 

Beebo

Firm and Fruity
Location
Hexleybeef
There is no problem with that. His victims can sue him and recover their compensation out of his share of the royalties - and I would expect them to do so. He isn't due for sentencing for three weeks, but IME he is looking at a double-digit prison term and being bankrupt by the time he gets out.
Sadly his victims were babies, and the mothers have been implicated. Whether they will sue when they become adults is unknown, hopefully the kids are so young that it will have no bearing on their futures.
 
Where do you draw the line? It's a personal thing because music should be a pleasurable, spiritual, enjoyable or transcendental thing - if not all four. If there is something biting away, the meaning is thwarted IMO.

One of my favourite genres - metal - at the black, atmospheric, folk end of things has a number of artists who quite frankly are dodgy as f==k for the things they believe in. Despite many denials to the contrary from such bands, I've largely given up on some of these artists because of what they believe in, but this is a personal barrier and I wouldn't have a problem with anyone I knew (with a similar outlook on life as me) seeing it differently. Because many of them are not commercial, they are beneath the radar but influential within their own scene. (There's the usual bands within extreme metal with their shock-horror satanic imagery and lyrics but IMO they'd be better off burying themselves within the higher echelons of the Church of England if they're truly sincere about their distaste for humanity).

Burzum are one example, Drudkh are another. Musically, I like them both, politically no way. A shame they had to bring that dimension in on their artwork. Burzum is a one-man project by a guy who is a known white-supremacist and despite the fact his music isn't used to convey his screwed up opinions, the fact I know he is, alters my enjoyment of his music end of. Drudkh are a Ukrainian Black Metal outfit who deny being nazis but allay themselves with Ukrainian ultra-nationalism - nice, think I'll steer clear when there are so many similar sounding bands that keep politics out of their work in that genre, and for good reason.

In short I wouldn't buy their music but it does make me think where you draw the line? These guys, whatever they believe, are not IMO anywhere near as sick as this Watkins individual and when you think about it, what about the casual misogyny of gangster rappers? Commercial and mainstream so okay? I don't think so but again that's my choice. And again so too is a rejection of so much commercial music given that the industry is run and exercised by money and image-obsessed poseurs, those so far stuck up their own peanuts they perhaps should think about something worthwhile to say or do, or not say or do anything at all.
 

AndyRM

XOXO
Location
North Shields
@Monsieur Remings, If you think that Varg and Roman are a bit much, check out Kaiser's "Ad Homiem" project. His latest full length album is basically a little tribute to Hitler. Annoyingly it sounds cracking, so I listen to it more often than I really should.

I've just read this about Watkins, which seems to suggest the amount of abuse could have been less. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/44...ostprophets-singer-was-a-dangerous-paedophile

Whether or not there's much truth there remains to be seen. For the sake of all involved, I hope not.
 

ASC1951

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Sadly his victims were babies, and the mothers have been implicated. Whether they will sue when they become adults is unknown, hopefully the kids are so young that it will have no bearing on their futures.
They don't have to wait until then. They can sue now through another relative or an official appointed by the Court. Whether that is worth it is another matter - I can't see much future demand for the Lost Prophets back catalogue.
But of course there are always CICB claims.
 

Rob3rt

Man or Moose!
Location
Manchester
Where do you draw the line? It's a personal thing because music should be a pleasurable, spiritual, enjoyable or transcendental thing - if not all four. If there is something biting away, the meaning is thwarted IMO.

One of my favourite genres - metal - at the black, atmospheric, folk end of things has a number of artists who quite frankly are dodgy as f==k for the things they believe in. Despite many denials to the contrary from such bands, I've largely given up on some of these artists because of what they believe in, but this is a personal barrier and I wouldn't have a problem with anyone I knew (with a similar outlook on life as me) seeing it differently. Because many of them are not commercial, they are beneath the radar but influential within their own scene. (There's the usual bands within extreme metal with their shock-horror satanic imagery and lyrics but IMO they'd be better off burying themselves within the higher echelons of the Church of England if they're truly sincere about their distaste for humanity).

Burzum are one example, Drudkh are another. Musically, I like them both, politically no way. A shame they had to bring that dimension in on their artwork. Burzum is a one-man project by a guy who is a known white-supremacist and despite the fact his music isn't used to convey his screwed up opinions, the fact I know he is, alters my enjoyment of his music end of. Drudkh are a Ukrainian Black Metal outfit who deny being nazis but allay themselves with Ukrainian ultra-nationalism - nice, think I'll steer clear when there are so many similar sounding bands that keep politics out of their work in that genre, and for good reason.

In short I wouldn't buy their music but it does make me think where you draw the line? These guys, whatever they believe, are not IMO anywhere near as sick as this Watkins individual and when you think about it, what about the casual misogyny of gangster rappers? Commercial and mainstream so okay? I don't think so but again that's my choice. And again so too is a rejection of so much commercial music given that the industry is run and exercised by money and image-obsessed poseurs, those so far stuck up their own peanuts they perhaps should think about something worthwhile to say or do, or not say or do anything at all.

Varg Vikernes (Burzum) is also a convicted murderer (and arsonist) that shows no remorse - he has served his sentence, in fact he recorded some of the Burzum material while incarcerated, and has since been released (only a few years ago), since then he has released several albums of varying quality.

I still listen to the music, the early music is incredible and the content is mostly based on Norwegian folklore! But the man... well it goes without saying!
 
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Varg Vikernes (Burzum) is also a convicted murderer (and arsonist) that shows no remorse - he has served his sentence, in fact he recorded some of the Burzum material while incarcerated, and has since been released (only a few years ago), since then he has released several albums of varying quality.

I still listen to the music, the early music is incredible and the content is mostly based on Norwegian folklore! But the man... well it goes without saying!

The early work - Filosofem - is very good.

Yep, I know about the church burnings and the murder of Euronymous too. A nice chap all round who calls himself an 'odalist' whatever that means..?
 
@Monsieur Remings, If you think that Varg and Roman are a bit much, check out Kaiser's "Ad Homiem" project. His latest full length album is basically a little tribute to Hitler. Annoyingly it sounds cracking, so I listen to it more often than I really should.

I've just read this about Watkins, which seems to suggest the amount of abuse could have been less. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/44...ostprophets-singer-was-a-dangerous-paedophile

Whether or not there's much truth there remains to be seen. For the sake of all involved, I hope not.

Okay, have heard of the geezer above and that's how it will remain.

Since the discussion started here I thought about how much I love listening to the composer Sibelius - also a fervent nationalist. That would be deemed okay though in popular thought, so I guess it's all a matter of extremes. One of the reasons I was drawn to Drudkh in the first place is their regard for poetry - something missing from the far dodgier IMO project of Saenko's - Hate Forest.

Thanks for the reply.
 
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