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swee'pea99

Squire
Have to say I found this banal, thin and repetitive. Said obvious things about McLaren v China, but didn't even begin to address the far more interesting and relevant question about why Germany can do what we can't - mass manufacture mass market goods - despite having far higher wages than we do.
 

Mr Phoebus

New Member
Ah, so this thread isn't about Trevor the skinhead.
 

MacB

Lover of things that come in 3's
At least Evan Davis, unlike many presenters, is a trained economist with a wide grasp of his subject.

As for 'plain facts', MacB, don't forget that you have a very fixed view of economics and one which is well to one end of the spectrum. That's not a criticism, we all approach these subjects from a position of prejudice. But prejudice is what it is.

a fixed view, by thinking that there are alternates to be explored and not accepting that it's this way because it's best and it's human nature.....all I can say is WOW
 

threebikesmcginty

Corn Fed Hick...
Location
...on the slake
Here's a take on it:-

As an aside, I liked his All Money is a Confidence Trick.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2011/06/17/all-money-is-a-confidence-trick-2/

Is this where you cut 'n' paste all your posts from to make it look like you're not an idiot? :smile:
 

TVC

Guest
Confused and flimsy programme.

I'm waiting for him to explain why all my customers who deserted British manufacturing over the last ten years are now returning, begging for us to start supplying them again now they realised they were conned by the Chinese.
 

mac1

Aggravating bore magnet
Location
Basingstoke
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but didn't even begin to address the far more interesting and relevant question about why Germany can do what we can't - mass manufacture mass market goods - despite having far higher wages than we do.
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My theory (which I'm gonna have to research and confirm, but it would be good to get others' views on) is that we lost the threshold capability (what you actually need to enter the market) back in the 60s and to regain it would require funding which nobody in the UK wants to contribute: anything halfway large like cars needs tens of millions and is longer term (1-2 decades - UK investors want their money back in 5-7 years), so this increases the risk, so even less attractive. Case in point: Triumph Motorcycles are now extremely successful with Royal patronage and sales that either rival BMW or were about to exceed as well as exceeding all the Japanese makes. In 1983 the company was dead in the water but was purchased by a property developer John Bloor who sunk £200m of his own money into it. IIRC it wasn't until 2000 that production actually started. So...17 years minimum + £200m...what does that say about being competitive in mass manufacture? How many people could and would be prepared to do this?

It's often stated that the UK is good at specialist, low volume niche products eg Brompton, and, Triumph excepted, this seems to be the case with just about everything: I think the reason for this is that you don't need access to large amounts of money to be successful - you can rely on your skills and relatively small/unsophisticated equipment.
 
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