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[magnatom]

You'd probably find that there's been more deaths on the road that goes past Pitreavie golf club than there has been on Grange Road. It's not the road that isn't safe, it's the people using it.

Aye, but the road does provide the conditions for the aggressive driving. I have been really impressed with AvSCs I've seen. I think they are the way forward for dangerous roads.

 

[Tetedelacourse]

You'd probably find that there's been more deaths on the road that goes past Pitreavie golf club than there has been on Grange Road. It's not the road that isn't safe, it's the people using it.

Nope. I haven't found that.

So a road itself wont kill me? Thanks for that insight.

The conditions and likelihood of being caught will dictate how dangerous a road is. This road is unlit, lumpy, winding, bad surface, hedge-lined, seldom used and not patrolled regularly by police. This coupled with the little benefit it provides means it should be closed.

 

[Tetedelacourse]

Nope. I haven't found that.

So a road itself wont kill me? Thanks for that insight.

The conditions and likelihood of being caught will dictate how dangerous a road is. This road is unlit, lumpy, winding, bad surface, hedge-lined, seldom used and not patrolled regularly by police. This coupled with the little benefit it provides means it should be closed.

cross-posted with Magna.

 

[HLaB]

I don't think its the best location for average speed cameras and its probably be too short, I'd be happier if it was shut to motorised traffic. The alternative road passed Pitreavie golf course is unlikely to have as many accidents if Grange Road was closed as its a quite good standard Urban dual carriageway and better designed to cope with the traffic.

 

[Eat MY Dust]

Nope. I haven't found that.

Well I can remember several bad crashes on the road passing Pitreavie which ended in fatalities (possibly 6 or 7). So much so that they removed the trees from the central reservation to stop people wrapping themselves around them. I can only remember 4 deaths on Grange Road.

So a road itself wont kill me? Thanks for that insight.

The conditions and likelihood of being caught will dictate how dangerous a road is. This road is unlit, lumpy, winding, bad surface, hedge-lined, seldom used and not patrolled regularly by police. This coupled with the little benefit it provides means it should be closed.

Well that describes about every road I use at the weekend when I'm out cycling. Should these all be closed as well?

 

[Tetedelacourse]

Have there been fatalities on them recently?

Do they serve a purpose that other roads nearby do not?

If you answered yes then no, then they absolutely should. Do you disagree? If so, why?

 

[Eat MY Dust]

Have there been fatalities on them recently?

I honestly couldn't tell you.

Do they serve a purpose that other roads nearby do not?

Some of them have less purpose than Grange Road.

If you answered yes then no, then they absolutely should. Do you disagree? If so, why?

Because I see people (the mass majority) using them with the due care and attention that is required.

 

[Tetedelacourse]

Did you see the part of my post where it said "if you answered yes then no"?

I'm in agreement with you on those roads based on your description. They differ from Grange Road in that, well, see post number 1 - etc. ffs.

 

[Eat MY Dust]

Did you see the part of my post where it said "if you answered yes then no"?

I'm in agreement with you on those roads based on your description. They differ from Grange Road in that, well, see post number 1 - etc. ffs.

I went on to answer the whole question for as all I know there could have been dozens of fatalities on the roads I'm talking about.

I think I'm right in saying that there have been 4 deaths (that I can remember) on Grange Road in over 20 years. I don't think that justifies closing a road. I'm sure in some parts of the coutry that it wouldn't even qualify for a speed camera.

 

[Tetedelacourse]

2 in a year on Grange Road.

If there were dozens on the roads you're talking about and they serve no purpose then they should be closed. If you think that's unreasonable then good luck to you, you'll likely need it.

 

[Eat MY Dust]

I don't know why you're getting so ar*ey about it. Why would I likely need luck? I cycle 6 to 7 thousand miles a year incident free. If you feel so strongly about the road why don't you do something about it.

 

[Tetedelacourse]

Well, since you ask, I got shirty with you because you contested my point and then when I asked why you didn't really bother to pay attention. I realise I'm guilty of expecting a reasoned response when I have no right to. Was probably feeling a little precious too at that point if I'm honest. It's extremely close to home this one.

My point is that if a road is known to have caused fatalities in the recent past, and it serves little purpose based on other infrastructure nearby, then it should be closed or upgraded. In the event that it's unlikely that it will be upgraded to an acceptable standard then it should be shut.

You said that I had described almost every road you cycle on at the weekend. You then went on to say that you didn't know whether they matched my description (conditions plus safety record).

I then went on to wish you luck if you ride on roads that fit that description as they are not safe, IMO obviously.

So.

Save from closing the road, which you think is unwarranted, or upgrading it sufficiently, which is highly unlikely, can you think of any alternative action that can be taken? I genuinely can't.

 

[HLaB]

This has finally come to court, speeder grr

 

[PBancroft]

17 March will have the answers.

 

[magnatom]

This has finally come to court, speeder grr

I won't be holding my breath for a severe sentence though.