Modifying my new touring bike

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martinwhprice

Active Member
If the bike in the picture is indeed the bike you bought, and if it has 26 inch wheels, and if you are on a budget....
Forget about discs, as it is not obvious you can use them on this frame (it does not look like there are mounts on the front fork, and I cannot quite seen them at the rear either. Also you would probably need new hubs/wheels. Replace the brake cables, and use Koolstop salmon pads.
For what you are planning 2012 50 mm Schwalbe Big Apple Evolution line tyres may well be ideal. Fast comfy and reliable. Check the current tyre size and the clearance.
I would want to have a sprung Brooks saddle like the Champion Flyer.
Try the rear racks. If they are not stable enough, replace them by the Tubus Cargo for 26 inch wheels (unless you have very big feet). You may want to trim your luggage so you do not need front panniers.
enjoy your ride,
Willem

It's not the same bike, no... disc breaks are definitely doable. But yes as you said I'm on a budget!
What makes the tyres you talk about so ideal? Are there any other ones you guys can recommend so I can compare reviews/price?
 

willem

Über Member
If this is a 26 inch bike you probably have clearance for 50 mm tyres. Use the widest possible tyres if you want comfort and grip on bad roads and off road. Wide tyres also have lower rolling resistance (narrow tyres are more aerodynamic, but that only matters above 20-25 km. i.e. the top end of loaded touring). The Big Apples also have a pretty slick tread, so you will be fast on tarmac. And they are sufficiently robust. Mind you the 2012 version has two price/quality levels. If you want something even faster, go for the 26x1.75 Panaracer Pasela TG. If you need more tread for riding off road, the choice is wide, but all those tyres will be much slower. I do not think you need that for either Schotland or France. Tyres really make or break the feel of a bike.

Willem
 

mcshroom

Bionic Subsonic
Nice bike :smile:

I would probably make sure I had some decent slick-ish tyre on it (I'd go for Marathons or 26x1.95 City Jets as a decent starter), and my saddle suggestion would be slightly different, a charge spoon.

The brakes are not as bad as everyone makes out. I'm going touring in Scotland in a couple weeks on a Dawes Vantage which has Tertro Oryx brakes on and with decent pads they do there job efficiently enough for the vast majority of situations. Disk brakes may be nice, but you would need new wheels which adds to the budget so I'd leave it for now.

You will know more about what you like/don't like on the bike the more you ride it, so try and get it in a comfortable shape and just get out there :smile:
 

Tail End Charlie

Well, write it down boy ......
I have a Sardar, bought new in 2004. If I could only keep one of my bikes, it would have to be this one as it'll do everything. I've used it commuting, touring, Audaxing, shopping, everything.

I kept the Tektro brakes for years, good pads make a huge difference, then I changed to some CR720(?) brakes, which were a little better. Recently I've put a disc brake on the front (Avid BB7). The bike only really gets used for heavily loaded touring nowadays and the other brakes caused a couple of "moments" when going downhill. The disc is good, but you'll find the cantis with good pads fine (unless you are cycle camping).

I have a Brooks B17 on mine which suits me.

I use Marathon Plus tyres 26x1.3. I've tried others but I like the puncture proofness of the pluses and they roll pretty well. For a long time I had a Marathon Plus 26x1.75 on the back and tbh, I didn't notice any difference when I changed it to a 1.3.
 
That looks like a great bike! Definitely keep the 26" wheels - they're very versatile so you can take in rough tracks as well as the road. I have 35mm schwalbe marathon racers and they cope very well off road. It's great to have disc brake mounts but you'll need new hubs to fit the discs on. if you do go down that route get a decent cable disc brake rather than a hydraulic brake as they are PITA if they fail in the middle of nowhere. Another option for brakes are the tektro frogleg style 'cross brakes (CR520 or CR720). They are waaay more powerful than V brakes or standard cantis which makes a big difference when you're fully loaded and rolling along like a great big truck!
 

Nigeyy

Legendary Member
Hey, lucky you! I hope I'm not too late to interject with some stuff.

First, I have the same bike as my tourer; it's my very favourite of the umpteen bikes I have. I think it's a fantastic bike. Here's my opinion on your questions (keeping in mind you used the words "necessary/cost effective")


- disc brakes?

No..... well yes...... but no if you're talking cost effective. Disc brakes are great -but IMHO are not great value. People have, and will, tour with non-disc brakes with more than adequate braking performance. Now for full disclosure I will add that my Sardar does have Avid road BB7 disc brakes, and yes, I love them. However, in retrospect for the costs involved (remember: new wheelset or relacing the rims to disc specific hubs, plus cost of brakes, plus cost of disc specific rack) make it a poor value proposition. Sure, since I've bought them and paid for them I'll keep them, but there's no doubt I would not buy them again if I was on a budget.


- new saddle - definitely required because at the moment it's like sitting on a rock - any good value-for-money suggestions out there?

So subjective any opinion is likely to just pure luck if it works. However, I can say I am one of the few who find Brooks uncomfortable (have been meaning to sell mine for quite a time now). The problem with a Brooks is that they are so expensive, so for value, again I wonder..... However, a saddle that is extremely comfortable can be priceless. You takes your money, you takes your choice.


- slightly larger wheels - there's a fair gap between the current wheels and frame, enough to go a size up for sure.

Strongly advise you to pass on this one. The Sardar is designed for 26 wheels. If you have a 700c wheelset try them and see if you can get them to work -but without discs I'd guess the braking alignment will be too far off for any v-brakes or canti brakes to work.


- pedals - just got standard ones at the moment but considering all other types, clipless, ones with toe straps etc

The general line of thought is that clipless are best -and I love my clipless. A good high value entry are Shimano 520s (I think that's the model). Be carefull though, some people just don't get on with clipless. I'd still give them a go. Keep in mind you will need new cycling shoes if you do take the plunge assuming you haven't got any already.


- tyre type - the current tyres are pretty worn so will need replacing by next summer - not sure about smooth road tyres of more of a hybrid tyre in case i take it off-road a bit. Having said that, no suspension makes any off-roading a bit of a sore one so I'm inclined to think it's not strictly necessary.

I love the Schwalbe Marathons. Great for touring -reasonably fast and tough. Might not be great for any off roading except gentle though. I think you also have to remember that when you want to do something on a bike that is not its primary purpose, you will always run into (sometimes less than ideal) compromises.


Oh, one last comment on brakes. It's been my experience that with brakes the fault does not usually lie with the brake itself -rather a combination of pads, lever pull, cables, rim condition and rim cleanliness. Before you jump for some new brakes, do the following:

i. clean you rims -thoroughly (Brillo pad and soapy water).
ii. check your cable runs and make sure you don't need new cables or the housing isn't gunking up the cables.
iii. make sure you brakes are adjusted correctly. Are your rims true?
iv. buy some quality pads. Can't recommend Koolstop Salmons highly enough.
v. if you feel you can pull too much of the lever, invest in some quality levers (a bit more expensive option here).

Note that most of the above takes relatively little money. Honestly, try the above first -even if you still think it's your brakes, you might be left with new cables and excellent pads to use anyway.

And don't forget that if you can't do anything much, just get out, smile and enjoy riding the thing as is!
 

ttony002

Über Member
Location
Norfolk
I use Continental travel contact tires, smooth in center knobbly on sides, and puncture protection.
Never let me down when it mattered on or off road.
 
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