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FishFright

More wheels than sense
I couldnt care less which driver it was, Im more interested in how they use this system, and what its tolerances are, given how fine the margins are and how precise F1 teams are at setting their stuff up, as there seems a distinct attitude of just well the computer says, so it must be so, and everyone believes the computer...whilst Monaco proved you cant actually rely on that if youve fed the computer duff info to start with.

Its a safety issue.

The speed limit is an absolute, every team and every driver knows exactly what that speed is.

Monaco was a one off and was an administrative problem and not a hardware nor data issue.

And let's face it if it Stroll would anyone be talking about it on here ? Well obviously not because he has been caught out before now and literally , actually literally, not one single person has commented on here about it.
 
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AndyRM

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Its a safety issue.

The speed limit is an absolute, every team and every driver knows exactly what that speed is.

Monaco was a one off and was an administrative problem and not a hardware nor data issue.

And let's face it if it Stroll would anyone be talking about it on here ? Well obviously not because he has been caught out before now and literally , actually literally, not one single person has commented on here about it.

Don't most F1 fans view Stroll as a nepo irrelevance, taking up a seat despite his incompetence? I was genuinely amazed that Hungary was his 200th Grand Prix.
 

FishFright

More wheels than sense
Don't most F1 fans view Stroll as a nepo irrelevance, taking up a seat despite his incompetence? I was genuinely amazed that Hungary was his 200th Grand Prix.

He's not that bad , there has been much worse drivers in F1.

All the drivers on the current grid , bar Hamilton and Alonso , are the son of a seriously wealthy father who bankrolled their career. IIRC .
 

FishFright

More wheels than sense
Aye, but with 200 races?

Have you seen how good he can be in a decent car on wet track ? Although it has been a good while since he's done that.

I'm not a fan myself but most of the hate should be aimed at his father not him. Very few team owners have achieved so little with so much .
 

FishFright

More wheels than sense
Ah, that may explain my opinion of him, and general ignorance. I've only got back into F1 properly in the last 2 years.

It was back in 2017 , iirc . A great wet quali at Monza and a podium at Azerbaijan. So not for a good while .
 
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Reynard

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I don't think Stroll is that bad a driver tbh, even allowing for being bankrolled by the Bank of Dad. If he wasn't half decent, he wouldn't be allowed to race - drivers have been pulled from the F1 grid because they were too slow / too dangerous, albeit not recently. I think the last one might have been in the 1990s at some point - a Japanese fella, but I can't remember his name.

I actually pity the guy somewhat, simply *because* of the fact that he's in his father's shadow. Personally, I wouldn't want that pressure on my shoulders. And I wonder just how good he could be away from his father - in WEC or IMSA or whatever else he might want to race. I suspect that Stroll Sr is "living the dream" through his son, because he himself either a) knows he isn't good enough or b) never had the opportunity as a younger man.

This situation is more common than one would think - there was a chap in late '80s F3000 who was being forced to race by his very wealthy dad (for the exact above reasons) or else lose his inheritance. The story was too ingrained in paddock gossip to not be true, and I know my sources are good.
 
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Reynard

Reynard

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All the drivers on the current grid , bar Hamilton and Alonso , are the son of a seriously wealthy father who bankrolled their career. IIRC .

As has ever been the case... Motor racing has largely been a wealthy man's game.

Prince Bira, the Rodriguez brothers, Piers Courage, Peter Revson, Ferdinand von Hapsburg... Even some less obvious names were bankrolled on the QT by wealthy friends and associates.

I think as technology has moved on, and the sport become significantly more spendy, the self-made drivers at the top level have become much rarer. The change in the age limits for junior drivers has also made one heck of a difference. It used to be that you could only race on the circuits if you had a full road licence, so unless a driver did karting or short ovals e.g. ministox, then you only started out at the age of 17. Whereas now, it's what, 12 with things like Fiesta juniors or Ginetta juniors...

IIRC that Derek Warwick was one of the last F1 drivers with a full time job, making agricultural trailers.
 

katiewlx

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And let's face it if it Stroll would anyone be talking about it on here ? Well obviously not because he has been caught out before now and literally , actually literally, not one single person has commented on here about it.

maybe more fool us for assuming Stroll's errors were simply down to his skill level, and theres been an issue staring us in the face for a while we werent noticing, because we trust that systems are infallible too much !!!
 
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