Negative BBC Radio Segment on Cycling

[yello]

I'm off out for a ride.

Good idea chap. Riding is a good way to chill (depending where you go!) and realise that words on forums are only that. Take care on them roundabouts

 

[dondare]

Hmm..so I post what would be the common sense thing to do, and you try and say I am trolling?

Answer me this cab, If you are turning right, would you look over your right shoulder to check for traffic?

Roundabouts are not ordinary road junctions. All exits from roundabouts are essentially left turns and no-one should be attempting to overtake anyone else regardless of what they're riding/driving. Picture it happening the other way, with the lorry slowing down to turn right and the cyclist overtaking in order to carry straight on; the driver would complain that the cyclist had cut in front of him then, too.
When I'm on a roundabout I'm checking for traffic joining it from my left, not looking over my shoulder to see what's behind me.

 

[Cab]

Yes I know it was, but you suggested that you didn't like BM because he was sanctimonious and patronising to other members. I'm just suggesting that your post came across the same way towards Lurker. Pot, kettle, black?

He is, as you know, a self confessed troll. Don't feed him.

 

[mickle]

We don't know that the cyclist didn't look over his shoulder or didn't indicate. We do know that the lorry driver didn't make any allowance for error.

Lee, you're talking out of your back passage.

 

[yello]

I thought you were going for a ride?

 

[Cab]

We don't know that the cyclist didn't look over his shoulder or didn't indicate. We do know that the lorry driver didn't make any allowance for error.

Lee, you're talking out of your back passage.

Troll. Not. Feed. The. Do.

 

[hackbike 6]

Been and done a quick 5 miles around the block

That is some block,Troll.

 

[dondare]

What has this got to with this thread when the driver was going strainght on, and the cyclist turning right?

An example of an overtake on a roundabout that you would appreciate was wrong. All overtaking on roundabouts is wrong.

But if you are turning right and you are on the nearside of the roundabout, surely you would look over your right shoulder to see any traffic that was coming off on the exit (going straight on) because you are riding across that exit(because you are in the wrong lane)

Well, I wouldn't be in the wrong lane, but cyclists are sometimes directed to ride on the outside of roundabouts. For instance, that is where cycle lanes are put on roundabouts that have them. In any case, we only have the driver's version of what happened. Even from that it is clear that he was overtaking when he shouldn't have been.

 

[CotterPin]

I can't answer for Cab but when I am on a roundabout I tend to take the middle of the lane and I don't tend to look behind me too much. I am more focussed on whether anyone is about to join the roundabout and not give way to me (a common occurrence!). I do, however, tend to be aware of whether anything entered the roundabout behind me.

 

[CotterPin]

I don't see the logic behind this, I've overtaken many a vehicle on a roundabout safely on a major junction.

Presumably you are talking about roundabouts with multiple lanes?

 

[bryce]

Yawn.. There is a handy 'ignore list' option for trolls. I've just used it.

 

[hackbike 6]

Ouch.

 

[Clive Atton]

'All overtaking on roundabouts is wrong'. Wot a load of rubbish. For example: we have a local roundabout with four lanes around it, there are four dual crarriageways feeding onto and off it as well as three other roads. Are you (Dondare) suggesting that no lane around the roundabout is permitted to travel faster than another lane. You are also suggesting that it is absolutely fine to cycle around the entire roundabout (probably about 250 yards) in the nearside lane at 5mph, whilst all the traffic crawls around behind you. Exactly what kind of a dream world do you live and cycle in?

The cyclist who was hit by the lorry should:

a) Have looked.
Have indicated.
c) Have been in the correct lane.
d) Get the bus in future as he is patently a complete t1t to take on a lorry and expect to win.

 

[OldSkoolKona]

Dear me, what have i started!?!

Only put the post up to highlight a negative segment on the radio in which the tone pretty much gave incitment to knock cyclists off their bikes (particularly when the presenter said 'let that be a lesson') It wasn't to open a debate about whether the cyclist 'deserved what he got' as it seems to have descended into.

IMHO there's no point debating the details of the roundabout issue, you only hear one (biased) side of it.

 

[Rhythm Thief]

It wasn't to open a debate about whether the cyclist 'deserved what he got' as it seems to have descended into.

I don't think that's necessarily the case. My feeling is that Lee is getting some undeserved stick simply for saying that perhaps the cyclist is not entirely blameless here (which I agree with, as it happens, always bearing in mind that I didn't see the incident in question). In fact, Lee and I have said the same thing, which is basically that there may be two sides to this, and for some reason Lee is now being called a troll. I don't think that's the case.
However, you're right, we do seem to have drifted off the topic as you originally started it.