No, No, NO!,.. er.. yes


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Limoges or York
After years of denying using illegal substances, Marion Jones has finally been detected using a variety of steroid previously undectectable by normal tests.

The steriod is reported to have been provided by a USA lab in San Francisco.

Marion Jones says she is very sorry.

It does make me wonder what other 'undetectable' substances are available in the States or elsewhere.


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As you were posting that thread 'asterix', somewhere in the World a lab was working on the latest undetectable drug, for use in sport!

Tim Bennet.

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S of Kendal
somewhere in the World

I'm sure there's lots of places working on this, but there is one place for certain - a large rapidly industrialising country that wants to impress the world with its athletic prowess when it hosts he Olympics next summer.

It's going to be a complete joke. Any discipline where speed /strength / stamina is a major component is going to be tainted. Hopefully it will be so ludicrous that 'something will be done'.


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Epo was undetectable in 99. You could get away with using it in a bike race but just hope that you could dismiss the testing procedures if it was ever tested retrospectively in years to come.

Currently hgH, Dynepo and blood doping using your own blood are undetectable. Microdosing things like testosterone and regular epo will also not trigger a positive result.
johnr said:
Talking of undetectable substances. Do they actually drugs test in rugby, or are the shape of the players and the results entirely due to acts of god?

... some is due to the padding that most of them wear under their kit. Some is due to far too many years sticking their heads between men's thighs.:biggrin:


Are Professional Football players (soccer) tested, too?

I rekon they're all on em. :biggrin:


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It is possible to test for autologous (your own) blood doping. Something to do with comparing age distributions of the blood cells. It may not be done routinely, but it is possible.


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Jakob Mörkebjerg a Ph.D. student at Bispebjerg has come up with a possible way of measuring it. Its being submitted to WADA in order for it to be tested and begin the approval process. Then it can be used.

At the moment there is no official test for autologous blood doping. something a certain top rider who employed dr michelle ferrari for his record breaking grand tour wins knew only too well.
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