Non-helmet helmet? Or something like that.

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Happy_Days

Active Member
So MIPS is designed to reduce the injuries caused by helmets?
No. MIPS is designed to enhance the protection provided by helmets.
 

Happy_Days

Active Member
That's not how I read 'reducing rotational injuries caused by helmets'.
Helmets don’t cause rotational injuries.

While I feel that helmet use should be a personal choice, the evidence is overwhelming that they provide protection. (Albeit, limited protection—a few millimetres of polystyrene is hardly a forcefield.)
 

Ian H

Ancient randonneur
Helmets don’t cause rotational injuries.

While I feel that helmet use should be a personal choice, the evidence is overwhelming that they provide protection. (Albeit, limited protection—a few millimetres of polystyrene is hardly a forcefield.)

...some doctors have expressed concern that cycle helmets might make some injuries worse by converting direct (linear) forces to rotational ones. These injuries will normally form a very small proportion of the injuries suffered by cyclists, but they are likely to form a large proportion of the injuries with serious long-term consequences. In this way helmets may be harmful in a crash, but this harm may not be detected by small-scale research studies.
https://www.cyclehelmets.org/1039.html
 
...some doctors have expressed concern that cycle helmets might make some injuries worse by converting direct (linear) forces to rotational ones. These injuries will normally form a very small proportion of the injuries suffered by cyclists, but they are likely to form a large proportion of the injuries with serious long-term consequences. In this way helmets may be harmful in a crash, but this harm may not be detected by small-scale research studies.
https://www.cyclehelmets.org/1039.html

As with both sides of this debate there are a lot of "mights" and "mays" in there.
 

Happy_Days

Active Member
...some doctors have expressed concern that cycle helmets might make some injuries worse by converting direct (linear) forces to rotational ones.

That argument has been widely researched and found to be incorrect.

Undoubtedly, helmet usage isn’t the most important thing in our safety when we ride. And in any case, helmets only offer limited protection. But the overwhelming evidence is that helmets provide protection—not harm—in crashes.

There are reasons not to wear a helmet, such as it could encourage drivers to pass more closely. And we know from Australia that mandatory helmet usage is deleterious for cycling. However, avoiding rotational brain injury is one reason to wear a helmet equipped with MIPS (or equivalent).
 

Mike_P

Guru
Location
Harrogate
...some doctors have expressed concern that cycle helmets might make some injuries worse by converting direct (linear) forces to rotational ones. These injuries will normally form a very small proportion of the injuries suffered by cyclists, but they are likely to form a large proportion of the injuries with serious long-term consequences. In this way helmets may be harmful in a crash, but this harm may not be detected by small-scale research studies.
https://www.cyclehelmets.org/1039.html

Especially true for those having helmet mounted cameras. Fo those who think the camera would break iff look at what happened to Michael Schumacher.
Its not a case of taking care its what happens unexpectedly. I wasn't expecting to get a puncture doing a sharp right turn and because of the extent of gravel lose control and crash into an overhanging tree branch. Result a bust front wheel from the impact on the wall, a cut on the nose and an ear and a broken collarbone despite still being sat on the bike. Hospital nyrses were convinced my helmet saved me from further facial damage.
 

Ming the Merciless

There is no mercy
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Inside my skull
OT, but that's not how a healthy relationship works.
Just saying :smile:

Of course it is, mutual respect for each others viewpoint, but ultimately it’s up to the OP. There should be no emotional blackmail about how the other feels. Maybe it’s different in your marriage, but I wouldn’t force my wife to do something she doesn’t want to do, to make me feel better.
 
Of course it is, mutual respect for each others viewpoint, but ultimately it’s up to the OP. There should be no emotional blackmail about how the other feels. Maybe it’s different in your marriage, but I wouldn’t force my wife to do something she doesn’t want to do, to make me feel better.

but if the other person has a serious problem with you doing something then that should be a part of your decision whether to do it or not?
 

boydj

Legendary Member
Location
Paisley
Fair enough

I'll stop wearing my seat belt in the car for the same reason

anyway
personally I do not think the main point is about whether or not it will save you

the point is respect

I wear a helmet because my wife is happier about be riding around the whole area with a helmet
she trusts me to wear it

plus if I ever have an accident - or some moron runs me over
then I don;t want to wake up in bed with her crying at the side knowing I wasn't wearing a helmet and had told her I would be

that is the main reason

Comparison with a seatbelt does not stand up. Seatbelts are proven to save lives and prevent serious injuries. Helmets may prevent or minimise some minor injuries, but are of limited value in serious impacts.
 
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