*Not cycle related* Disorder or disability?

[apollo179]

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Primary schools have little toilets. If they only had big toilets then 4-year-olds wouldn't be able to manage.

It's the environment that disables.
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So are you saying that where there are only adult sized toilets 4 year olds are disabled ?

 

[Angelfishsolo]

So are you saying that where there are only adult sized toilets 4 year olds are disabled ?

Adults can use little toilets, children can not use regular size toilets - You work it out!

 

[Angelfishsolo]

[QUOTE 1544466"]
Possibly. But it's also possible that he's doing what most do and taking it all on face value without much scrutiny.
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Valid point and well made.

 

[apollo179]

[QUOTE 1544466"]
Possibly. But it's also possible that he's doing what most do and taking it all on face value without much scrutiny.
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Yes i see your point.
In the same way could you say that people are disabled by poverty ?

 

[Angelfishsolo]

[QUOTE 1544469"]
Disabled from buying things?
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I think the words disability and inability are being confused here.

 

[apollo179]

[QUOTE 1544469"]
Disabled from buying things?
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With a global perspective - Disabled from getting educated , disabled from medical attention etc etc
And yes thats what im asking disabled from buying things? Doing stuff etc etc.

 

[apollo179]

I think the words disability and inability are being confused here.

So do the 4 year old kids have an inability or a disability ?

 

[Sittingduck]

What has this got to do with 'General Cycling'?
It's just turning into yet another thread for the usual suspects to argue with one another. The GC board has gone rapidly down the tubes, IMHO.

 

[ian turner]

So do the 4 year old kids have an inability or a disability ?

They have a lack of neuroses that will develop as they get older which means at that age they don't give a toss.

Makes me think of the introduction of the description "person of color" by those who can't spell colour er Americans who found Black an offensive and derogatory term. Does "Goddam person of color" said with a Deep South accent (no not Essex) followed by spitting on the ground sound any better ?

 

[apollo179]

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You're probably better off Googling medical and social models of disability rather than confusing the issue with tangents.
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Hey your the one getting confused.
Your the one who thinks 4 year olds are disabled because there are only adult toilets available.

 

[sabian92]

I am too, only got diagnosed when at uni, cycled about 8 miles to the assessment much to the bemusement of the educational psychologist who said i shouldn't have the balance / coordination to have learnt to ride a bike.

"should I stop?"

"no, if you enjoy it, carry on"

"how about skateboarding?"

*sits down and starts taking notes*

sorry, thought the topic ought to have some cycling content

I was only 8 when I was diagnosed, and at that stage I still couldn't tie my shoes (my parents thought I was just lazy, which apparently is a very common thought process because it's relatively unheard of), and even now I struggle with a lot of things like keeping concentration (very common apparently) and I have awful coordination and balance, which is strange because I can ride a bike, play the guitar, bass and drums (that's the biggie, you need 4 completely independent limbs and I didn't really struggle learning how to do it), and I can drive, all of which apparently dypraxics find either very hard or impossible to do, yet I fall over nothing as well as my own feet. That being said, my fine motor coordination skills are awful - I can't write that well (which irritates me, my English teacher at school told me to write neater in my GCSE exams because my poor handwriting made me look thick (!)...).

You can't blanket anybody under a certain area when it comes to disabilities. This page is basically a list of stuff that dyspraxics find difficult in adult life, I find none of those impossible, I struggle with a few (I can't dance, I drop things quite a lot and I have pathetic spatial awareness and my organisational skills are only marginally better than the Government), but the majority don't bother me.

People with disabilities or disorders or anything else wrong are still normal people, they're just more unique than the rest of the normal people.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Mods can we move this to The Cafe please?

 

[numbnuts]

A few years back, it was stated on a card from social services that I was handicapped the word came from the term “cap-in -hand” for receiving payments without work, we now call is benefits.
On the new cards now it states “physically impaired"

 

[Red Light]

People with disabilities or disorders or anything else wrong are still normal people, they're just more unique than the rest of the normal people.

Often much more than that. The coping strategies people develop to deal with their "d" word of your preference often give them other skills. So for example around 30% of successful entrepreneurs are dyslexic compared to just 5% in the population and mainstream corporates.

 

[ian turner]

Hmm these days Sticks and Stones will break my bones but words will never harm me should be reworded as Sticks and Stones may break my bones but words will traumatise me I'm calling my lawyer.
Aside from which it doesn't really matter what people call you if they're thinking cripple or retard or planning cuts to your support services.
Hmm let's go for the Let he who is without sin cast the first stone so when those who object to the classification disabled stop reading the Daily Mail they can start complaining (I work with such an individual, talks about dole scum while renting an adapted car for £500 a year with government subsidy and takes holidays in Vegas with the spare cash)