O.D.D

[hopless500]

Autism is a very real condition. This is very sad to read and you and your fellow passengers should walk a mile in the shoes of people such as @steve50's before you are so quick to judge. I'd like you all to sit on an eight hour flight with an autistic person and see how you got on.

This sort of thing makes me really angry. There is no way for you to know whether or not a child, any child has ASC, or not. People that deny autism are just ignorant, old fashioned, out-of-touch and they make the lives of autistic people and their parents or guardians all the more difficult with such attitudes. Autism has been around for a long time and people like you need to accept that it is a very real disability that wrecks homes and lives.

It's very sad that people still think this way.
Autism has been around since the forties.

I think he was talking about ODD, not autism. ODD is a new one to most of us.

 

[steve50]

I think he was talking about ODD, not autism. ODD is a new one to most of us.

ODD is autism.

Autism spectrum disorders (ASD) are recognized to occur in up to 1% of the population and to be a major public health concern because of their early onset, lifelong persistence, and high levels of associated impairment. A growing literature is demonstrating the common comorbidity of ASD with anxiety disorders and oppositional defiant disorder with its excessive active and passive-aggressive anger. In one study seventy percent of participants had at least one comorbid disorder and 41% had two or more. The most common diagnoses were social anxiety disorder (29.2%), attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (28.2%), and oppositional defiant disorder (28.1%, Simonoff, et al., 2012). A meta-analysis of 31 studies involving 2,121 young people revealed that 39.6% of young people with ASD had at least one comorbid DSM-IV anxiety disorder, the most frequent being specific phobia (29.8%) followed by OCD (17.4%) and social anxiety disorder (16.6%, van Steensel, et al., 2011). Cognitive-behavioral therapy has been demonstrated to be effective in treating the anxiety in children with ASD (Sofronoff, et al., 2005).

 

[r04DiE]

I think he was talking about ODD, not autism. ODD is a new one to most of us.

As @steve50 says, ODD is autism. Autism (or ASC, Autism Spectrum Condition), is just that; a spectrum of conditions that all fall under the umbrella term of ASD, or Autism.

 

[jefmcg]

[QUOTE 4420795, member: 45"]That doesn't say that ODD is autism, but that it can be found alongside it.[/QUOTE]
+1

It also only gives an indication that about 1/3 of children with ASD have ODD. It gives no indication of how many kids with ODD also have an ASD.

However, if a parent suspects their child is somewhere on the autism spectrum, that should definitely be investigated.

 

[r04DiE]

[QUOTE 4420795, member: 45"]That doesn't say that ODD is autism, but that it can be found alongside it.[/QUOTE]
Well, no one condition is 'autism'.

 

[r04DiE]

[QUOTE 4420942, member: 45"]That's right. Autism is a collection of behaviours. OOD can be comorbid to autism, which means it's a condition which can co-occur with another condition, in this case autism. As can epilepsy, which isn't autism either.

It gets even more complicated when you look at the "compatibility" of some comorbitities. For example, ODD and PDA behaviours can challenge structure, whereas one of the autism traits is a reliance on structure.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you're right, but it is common that a diagnosis of ODD would go alongside one of ASC.

 

[r04DiE]

[QUOTE 4420971, member: 45"]I don't think it is common. [/QUOTE]Well, that's your personal opinion, but the report does:

Autism spectrum disorders (ASD) are recognized to occur in up to 1% of the population and to be a major public health concern because of their early onset, lifelong persistence, and high levels of associated impairment. A growing literature is demonstrating the common comorbidity of ASD with anxiety disorders and oppositional defiant disorder with its excessive active and passive-aggressive anger. In one study seventy percent of participants had at least one comorbid disorder and 41% had two or more. The most common diagnoses were social anxiety disorder (29.2%), attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (28.2%), and oppositional defiant disorder (28.1%, Simonoff, et al., 2012). A meta-analysis of 31 studies involving 2,121 young people revealed that 39.6% of young people with ASD had at least one comorbid DSM-IV anxiety disorder, the most frequent being specific phobia (29.8%) followed by OCD (17.4%) and social anxiety disorder (16.6%, van Steensel, et al., 2011). Cognitive-behavioral therapy has been demonstrated to be effective in treating the anxiety in children with ASD (Sofronoff, et al., 2005).

Too often people put down communication issues with people who don't have typical communication methods as something wrong with them (a disorder) rather than the problem being us not doing enough to understand them.

Yes, I know that.

 

[r04DiE]

[QUOTE 4421581, member: 45"]I'm not arguing with the report. I'm interested to look at what it actually says.[/QUOTE]Yes you are, you said that you don't think it is common and the report says it is. That's an argument. You are arguing.

What you said is that ODD is autism. It's not. It's no more autism than epilepsy is.

OK, you're right. I meant that it is likely. And it is.

 

[jefmcg]

Speaking of communication breakdown, this seems to have dissolved into a spat about semantics that is not going to be helpful to @steve50. If you really need to decide who has a better understanding of ODD, ASC, ASD, maybe consider starting a new thread about it.

 

[jefmcg]

[QUOTE 4421639, member: 45"]No it's not about semantics, it's more important than that. It's about understanding the positive and negative consequences of labelling.[/QUOTE]
The answer may be important, but you two squabbling is not.
(that's my last word on this tangent. my intention is to reduce the noise, not add to it)

 

[r04DiE]

[QUOTE 4421627, member: 45"]No, I've not read the report so I don't even know whether they're percentages, or percentages of percentages. And it was a sample group of 112.[/QUOTE]I can't tell you how delighted I am to find something you're not arguing with.

In order to hold that view you'll need a report that suggests that autism is a common comorbidity with ODD, not the other way around.

You're right, and I am wrong. Thanks for educating me.

Speaking of communication breakdown, this seems to have dissolved into a spat about semantics that is not going to be helpful to @steve50. If you really need to decide who has a better understanding of ODD, ASC, ASD, maybe consider starting a new thread about it.

Good call.

[QUOTE 4421639, member: 45"]No it's not about semantics, it's more important than that. It's about understanding the positive and negative consequences of labelling.[/QUOTE]I agree, you're right, and @jefmcg's wrong.

 

[summerdays]

Going back to my friend they have had multiple labels as they tried to define them. Yet each child and their needs are different, the labels just give a starting point in strateges (?sp) to help them. As they have become older and especially when hormones kicked in it seemed to be constantly changing quicksand!