Oh well, I guess half term is over

[gavintc]

Hey, that is just around the corner from where I live. My car is normally parked at that first junction where you were cut up.

I do agree about the traffic. I was leaving Linlithgow tonight, heard a siren and moved into the side. The car 2 up also moved in, but the car in front did not - started to overtake the car who had pulled in and then realised what was going on and just froze in the middle of the road. Thankfully the oncoming traffic realised what was going on and allowed the ambulance past. Silly cow, just stayed there after the ambulance had gone.

 

[hackbike 666]

It is annoying though when motorists take something for granted when pulling out of junctions.

I don't think they really surprise me anymore and I guess it's ditto with you.

 

[col]

It is annoying though when motorists take something for granted when pulling out of junctions.

Is that assumption? like when we come out from the side of a van assuming no cars are pulling out of a junction?

 

[col]

sorry double post

 

[hackbike 666]

I actually thought the van driver was going to go left or some reason.

 

[Gromit]

Its not worth taking chances, I would have waited the 2 or 3 mins behind the van, we rush around too much in this country and for what? To obey a boss who can never be satisfied. Its just silly.

 

[Clive Atton]

I'd say HLaBwas abot 90% at fault there in the initial incident, and suppose the lorry had also stopped to let someone cross the road ('cos I doubt HLaB would have seen them by his position behind the van)? By diving past the van (because he's obviously much too important to approach the situation with any caution) he could have made the situation much worse.

 

[col]

I think most of the incidents for cyclists Iv seen are caused by not wanting to slow down or give way, if we all slowed a bit or were willing to give it would cancel most of these problems out. Before I get called for being too submissive, I mean only in these sort of circumstances where it can be dangerous for us. This vid shows that it would have been safer to wait especially when it seems you cant see ahead and there are parked cars around too.If I had gone down the side of the van, which in itself was not a bad thing, I would have slowed or even stopped as I came to the end of it to see what was there before carrying on.

 

[Tynan]

Turning right from a sideroad when another vehicle is blocking your line of sight is dangerous and contrary to the HC, it's plain wrong, it's the same as the people that turn left when they have a car next to them turning right, they assume nothing will come from the area they cannot see

it's a terrible danger to motorcyclists as well, it's absolutely not the cyclist fault in this instance

to be defensive I'd have slowed enough to be able to react to a car coming from there but I'd very much hope that they'd always be some room left for me

the cyclist had the right of way and the car didn't and tok a chance, which is what causing most accidents, people gambling

 

[magnatom]

First off, let me point out for the gizzillionth time that hindsight and the ability to rewind and review, is a wonderful thing. With hindsight and viewing the video a couple of times, you can actually see the car approach the junction just before HLaB undertakes the lorry. This, with hindsight, should set alarm bells ringing and the cyclist, with hindsight, should proceed past the lorry with caution, knowing that the car, with hindsight, might be a bit daft and pull out.

Now in real time I can understand how HLaB would not have seen the car approch the junction (other things to concentrate on). I must admit, though I may have manouvered past a little slower, but I don't think there is any issue in passing the lorry.

In fact even in this situation there was no problem. The cyclist had plenty of time to react and avoid danger, so that in itself suggests that that HLaB was exhibiting some caution on passing. I know of some cyclist who would have shot past the lorry and would have ended up in a serious situation.

Does that seem a fair assessment?

 

[Origamist]

Another risk when undertaking the lorry in that situation (parked cars to your left) is when a lorry decides it can't be bothered to turn right due to the congestion and goes straight ahead instead - it would leave the cyclist in a very nasty situation.

 

[magnatom]

Another risk when undertaking the lorry in that situation (parked cars to your left) is when the lorry decides it can't be bothered to turn right due to the congestion and goes straight ahead instead - it would leave the cyclist in a very nasty situation.

True, but if what HLaB says is correct, i.e. the lorry would be waiting for a good while, then I would generally pass as HLaB did. Obviously with caution.

 

[Origamist]

True, but if what HLaB says is correct, i.e. the lorry would be waiting for a good while, then I would generally pass as HLaB did. Obviously with caution.

Not all lorry drivers will wait 2-3 mins at junction - particularly if they know an alternative route.

When it comes to lorries, I'd recommend extreme caution.

 

[magnatom]

Not all lorry drivers will wait 2-3 mins at junction - particularly if they know an alternative route.

When it comes to lorries, I'd recommend extreme caution.

Of course, we don't know this route at all. For all we know the lorry might have to have turned right at this junction (i.e. going straight on might not provide an alternative route). Local knowledge counts for a lot.

 

[col]

First off, let me point out for the gizzillionth time that hindsight and the ability to rewind and review, is a wonderful thing. With hindsight and viewing the video a couple of times, you can actually see the car approach the junction just before HLaB undertakes the lorry. This, with hindsight, should set alarm bells ringing and the cyclist, with hindsight, should proceed past the lorry with caution, knowing that the car, with hindsight, might be a bit daft and pull out.

Now in real time I can understand how HLaB would not have seen the car approch the junction (other things to concentrate on). I must admit, though I may have manouvered past a little slower, but I don't think there is any issue in passing the lorry.

In fact even in this situation there was no problem. The cyclist had plenty of time to react and avoid danger, so that in itself suggests that that HLaB was exhibiting some caution on passing. I know of some cyclist who would have shot past the lorry and would have ended up in a serious situation.

Does that seem a fair assessment?

You say for the gizzilionth time, about rewind and hindsite, but this is pretty obvious again.