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slowmotion

Quite dreadful
Location
lost somewhere
Acquire a "sunny disposition" steel toecaps and full size frame mount "pump."
You are now ready to practice your "people skills....."
Also, a big D lock, a couple of biker chains and some steel-studded gauntlets. The gentle, reasonable path is the one to take.
 
"When life seems drab and grey, and nothing goes your way

Whistle a happy tune, and it seems a brighter day!"


Adolf Hitler, Berlin, April '45.
 

tadpole

Senior Member
Location
St George
It's not all bad, my commute is 10.4 miles each way, but only about 1.4 on the road, This morning in the rain, a white van man pulled along side me today to protect me from a dick in a Red BMW from pulling out from a side road, the BMW didn't see me but it saw the white van. ;) I gave the WVN a wave and he gave a smile. and slowed down to let me take primary to turn right at the next round about.
 

Arjimlad

Tights of Cydonia
Location
South Glos
I am thankful for those who take the trouble to video bad driving like this and report it.

Obviously this doesn't give immediate solace in the majority of cases, but drivers receiving letters from the Police may just alter their habits enough.. word gets round..

It's probably a better approach than deploying violence.
 

StuartG

slower but no further
Location
SE London
In over 60 years as a pedestrian I have never had a serious problem with a pavement cyclist. Some people on my forum appear to have a problem on a daily basis. We walk the same streets. I think I walk more than them ...

One of them pointed out that as a cyclist I don't see it their way. He is right. A cyclist on the pavement simply does not freak me out - even though I think it usually is a stupid place to be. Others go into meltdown imagining that they were saved from serious injury only by leaping out of the way at the last moment. Then there is Petronella Wyatt.

I digress. The point I'm making is that there are a number of factors in play as to the perceived dangers around you. There is avoidance - being in the right place doing the right thing will significantly reduce the frequency of conflict. This can depend on your experience of the other mode of transport - as a cyclist I have a better idea of what a pavement cyclist is likely to do. As a driver it means when I'm cycling I have a better view than the non-driver of what the road looks like to him/her. Dare I say training and reading is a great help. As an elderly cyclist unlearning what I was taught in my proficiency test and relearning all about primary/secondary when/when not to signal changed things a lot for me.

So if I do a 50 mile ride I am very surprised if I have a life threatening experience. Yes there would be a number of passes less than 1.5m or even 1 metre but as there was no pothole and they were mostly anticipated - they were a bit uncomfortable but not tragic. Turns across me - maybe one but again anticipated - you should be able to read most before they happen and be prepared. When I'm not prepared my first reaction is to blame myself for not spotting it. Only if I can convince myself it could not be anticipated (surprisingly small) do I get into a position of losing it with the driver (always a mistake if you aren't into kung fu) in fact or in mind.

That's it really after over 50 years of cycling I've learnt not to let other people's errors get to me. But take on board my own which I can do something about. If you let the clowns ruin your day you won't be riding and your days are likely to be less pleasant and somewhat shorter. Serious Incidents in those 50 years (half of which I was averaging 3000/5000 miles per year)? One requiring a visit to A&E but same day discharge (car came out of turning) and one 'doored'. I have had more collisions in a car but without injury.

Yes I'm lucky, but not that lucky if you have any understanding of statistics. My ISP is Zen. Maybe the fact they are the best ISP was not the only reason I chose them :smile:
 

donnydave

Über Member
Location
Cambridge
I can sympathise as it does get depressing at times,the same people have been doing the same stupid things every morning on my commute and I've been doing exactly the same route for nearly 4 years.

Equally though there are people who, every morning for 4 years, have given me space and waited patiently for a safe gap in traffic. Over time this second group has grown, I think I've worn down the first group just by consistency, they've got tired of shouting "GET ON THE CYCLE PATH", swerving straight at me, spitting at me, squeezing me off the road and slowly more and more of them are giving up as they realise I'll just see them again tomorrow.

Just to add about the good post above, I've avoided lots of stuff through observation and experience. I don't mind not dying but the bit that gets me down is that over and over again its up to me to react to someone else's entirely avoidable stupidity, and half the time they don't even realise it and there's no way to let them know!
 

Nigeyy

Legendary Member
I think being on a bicycle with heavy relatively much faster motorized vehicles will always involve risk -even if all drivers are reasonably good. It's just a physics equation. Good cycling with anticipation definitely reduces your chances of injury, but doesn't eliminate them (you always need a smattering of good luck coupled with being in the right place at the right time, and you just can't guarantee that).

I love DonnyDave's comments above -sometimes you get frustrated because you avoid some one's stupidity, but they can be so ignorant and completely unaware of their own actions and you can't even let them know! That truly is the definition of frustration for a cyclecommuter. Ultimately the best way to avoid issues is to have a commute that doesn't involve motor vehicles..... Yeah, still waiting for that one! (Would love to have one though,that would be so,so pleasant!)
 

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
You know - would be an interesting experiment to have a couple of us commuters doing a "group ride" to work.

We can then share our "tales" in real life.^_^
A couple of us london folks share very similar commutes so regularly bump into each other. Couple of videos out there with 2 - 4 of us riding together. Guess what though, we never 'find' any trouble!
 

Sara_H

Guru
There are people on this forum who claim never to have had a run in with an inconsiderate/stupid/careless/inept driver. They brag that, in +/-thirty some odd years of commuting, their well-being has never been threatened by a twunt. Their safety never compromised. I find these claims impossible to reconcile with my daily experience - and I commute only 1.4 miles each way every day - and I live, allegedly, in a 'Cycling City'.

Tonight's trip home was right up there with the worst of them - but not, I'm sorry to say, untypical.
1. Rusty Volvo (with still fogged up windows and windscreen) speeds up to over take me within 6 metres of a red light (at a t-junction - I'm turning right and he's turning left), fails to make it and screeches to a halt behind a truck but not before s***ting me up good and proper.
2. Travelling up a kerbside cycle path a Merc starts to drift over as I'm coming past it. He's left a big gap in the traffic queue in front of him so we know what he's doing. We're going up an incline and I'm on the cargo bike, so not much faster than walking pace. My bell wakes him from his texting and he revs off at high speed - obviously to prove something to me. He gets about four car lengths up the road. Vroom vroom.
3. Still in the cycle lane I reach the traffic light controlled cross roads. The cars going in my direction are passing me slowly as I approach. As I cross the line the driver of a red BMW who has moved into the yellow hatching suddenly realises that he/she has nowhere to go. So stops short of a car indicating to turn right across her path. And, in spite of having overtaken me only a few seconds earlier, flashes the waiting car to indicate that it's safe to proceed. The indicating car drives straight at me - and then has the f***ing gall to give me the 'w*****' gesture because - I can only presume - I failed to yield.
4. Several cars pass me too close, I move from strong secondary into primary as I approach a traffic island, and they squeeze past anyway.
5. The passenger of a passing Transit leans out of his window to shout something unintelligible.
6. A silver generic soft roader dangerously overtakes me as I approach a line of stationary cars at a pelican crossing, a manouvre which achieves absolutely nothing except to put me behind him. It nearly sees him up the arse of the car in front. Then he shuffles over to make absolutely certain that I can't get in front of him before the lights change.
7. Approaching home, a car approaching fails to concede priority as it goes around a car parked on its side of the road. It forces me to slow down, and then just to rub it in, drives straight at me, swerving away at the last minute.

I have loads of those blingy spoke reflectors, two lights at each end and was wearing a brightish (for me) raincoat. They all saw me, their actions cannot be blamed on me being invisible. I didn't break any rules of the road - and still they treat me, and, I presume, every other cyclist on the road like sh!t. My Carrie experiences this sort of behaviour on an almost daily basis too.

It's almost intolerable. What are we supposed to do?

I have days like this too, in fact I started a thread very similar to this a few weeks ago after a bad run. Like you I only commute a short distance, about four miles, a substantial part of which is through parks and on off road paths, so exposure to traffic is quite low. The ratio of incidents:exposure is quite high.
For me it was a big shock when my working hours changed. I went from working unsocial hours (had the roads to myself) to working office hours (share the roads with every loon and nutjob known to man at the same time!).
I've refined my route a little with some advice from the local cycle campaign group, and have found a way to avoid the road where I was having most probelems, so life is more pleasant.
Some days are much better than others and pass off peacefully, but I also find it very hard to believe that anyone who rides frequently in our towns and cities doesn't have these problems.
 
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jarlrmai

Veteran
It's not about the distance you travel for commuters its about the time we travel and the type of roads, some leisure cyclists don't see many issues but they are riding in different conditions.

Riding in rush hour traffic on wet Monday morning in a built up area or on a narrow residential/commercial road system naturally brings you into conflict more often. the drivers are different also, parents on a school run, commuters running late and sat in traffic, plumbers and builders in white vans rushing to get to the jobs, delivery drivers on the clock etc.

I generally have the same problems at the same places, generally anywhere I have to take primary.

The roundabout, the place where the road narrows and has traffic calming, the school lane up the hill with parked cars everywhere, the 30mph dual carriage way with bus stops and lots of shops where people park on the road.
 

StuartG

slower but no further
Location
SE London
It's not about the distance you travel for commuters its about the time we travel and the type of roads, some leisure cyclists don't see many issues but they are riding in different conditions. Riding in rush hour traffic on wet Monday morning in a built up area or on a narrow residential/commercial road system [...]
Yes but it doesn't have to be like that. A leisure cyclist is doing for pleasure. Enjoying the environment, thinking about the cake/ale ahead, chatting to companions ...

Monday mornings, getting to work when you would rather be in bed, same route, same idiots ... it is going to get to you if you let it. Still a mind over matter opportunity though. A perfectly executed manoeuvre is unlikely to get applause from a motorist but you can selfishly enjoy it all for yourself. Correctly spotting a stupido and what they are about to do is great and rewarding game to play. If there isn't something new on the route you haven't noticed before then you are not paying attention. Not sounding off at a fellow selfish cyclist but thinking of something to say later that might just sneak through their defences is a great intellectual exercise. Then meeting a friend and exchanging experiences is something you can't do in a car and seldom can on public transport.

I commuted into and through Central London for around 15 years and still look back with nostalgia. Though you are right - riding out into Surrey or Kent is even better. Just so sorry it took me so long to discover.
 
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