Packed full of salt and sugar!

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rualexander

Legendary Member
Please elaborate ... when I make a tomato sauce for my baked beans it tastes much better than the sauce you get with the tinned beans.

My ingredients are nothing more than pureed onions fried in a little olive oil, a bit of garlic, then add a tin of chopped tomatoes that have been put through a blender, simmer for 10 mins. Then I add salt at the table.

I am guessing that to put my sauce (or any sauce) in a tin, all you need to do is add preservative, et voila! Delicious sauce in a tin, no salt, no sugar.

Salt and sugar are both excellent preservatives!

No doubt other preservatives could be used of course, but would they be any better for us?
In theory, properly cooked and tinned food shouldn't really need much preserving over the normal shelf-life.
 

Davidc

Guru
Location
Somerset UK
Why do the food manufacturers put salt and sugar in so many foods that really don't need it??!!

Take baked beans for example - I make my own now with navy beans fro the health food shop and home-made tomato sauce - it is damn near impossible to get commercially produced baked beans that are not chock-full of sugar. Why?? The sauce doesn't need sugar!

The other day I bought a couple of tins of ratatouille, took them home ... and what do I find half-way down the ingredients? Sugar!! No need for it at all!

The way I cook is to use fresh vegetables, obviously I don't put sugar in, and I don't put salt in either (except if I make a bouillon) - I leave the diners to add salt to taste.

So why don't the food manufacturers make tinned and pre-prepared stuff without the salt and sugar and leave us to add whatever we want, to taste, I wonder!! It would be easy to do and would give us a much healthier diet.

I totally agree with you - thats 100% agreement with no reservations.

We buy very little processed or pre-packaged food. Food is made from basic ingredients.

One of the reasons is that nearly all packaged food tastes revolting. Why?

The main reason is that it tastes of some combination of seawater, syrup, and lard. Silly quantities of salt, sugar and fat. Even foods with reduced fat, reduced sugar and reduced salt labels still contain enough to make them completely unpalateable.

The reality is that most people in our society have had their tastes conditioned to accept this as normal. nonetheless when we have guests eating with us they normally enjoy what they're given and often ask for recipes. Some even follow those and reproduce the food. Many are surprised at the interesting flavours they taste. Those are the delicate flavours so often obscured by the salt and sugar in the commercial foods.

Everything from tomato juice through soups to tinned peas. All unpleasant to eat because of the added sugar and salt.

If the manufacturers removed all salt and sugar from their products we might eat more of them, but not probably enough to keep them in business while the majority prefer the bland, boring and predictable taste of sugar, salt and fat.

Salt and sugar are both excellent preservatives!

No doubt other preservatives could be used of course, but would they be any better for us?
In theory, properly cooked and tinned food shouldn't really need much preserving over the normal shelf-life.

I have some preserving jars (glass plus a rubber lid seal). Mainly used for soups which are best bulk cooked and we make them when we get cheap ingredients or leftovers. They're put into the jars when close to boiling point, and then last a year with no preservatives. That's also supposed to be the principle with tinned foods.

Just finished last year's asparagus soup, in time to reuse the jars for this year's. Asparagus, sage, oregano, and a little cream. Nothing else. Tastes wonderful and it's cheap.
 

Fiona N

Veteran
You do realise that baked beans were originally a take off of Boston baked beans - made with molasses. So that's one reason why the origina; tinned version was sweet - because people expected baked beans to be sweet.

Actually many slow-cooked tomato dishes are improved by a touch of sugar. I'm never sure quite what the chemistry is but you notice the difference. Oddly, I never add salt to baked tomato dishes or tomato sauces, in fact most of my vegetable stew-type dishes are added-salt free too. The closest I get to adding salt is in caponata where I add sultanas (sweet again with the tomatoes) and anchovies to get that lovely umami-sweet thing with the aubergines and mushrooms (non-traditional).
 

Davidc

Guru
Location
Somerset UK
^^

That you like sugar with tomato dishes is of course a matter of taste, and if you like that taste then it's up to you. I prefer the taste without but wouldn't wish to stop you enjoying what you like.

My gripe isn't with that, it's with the food industry adding salt, sugar and fat and a load more unnecessary rubbish to all of their products, which means that an awful lot of people end up never experiencing food without them. People who like cooking and enjoy it for itself are in a minority and even most of them eat some of the food industry's products, so that industry IMO shouldn't be adding these things. If consumers want to eat brine, syrup and fat they can add salt sugar and lard. Those who don't want them cannot take those things out

As I said above, I agree 100% with the OP.
 

BrumJim

Forum Stalwart (won't take the hint and leave...)
How to spot increased sugar and salt?
"Same Price, New IMPROVED recipe."

"New" is the best marketing word around. I'd say that "Luxury" comes a close second.
"Improved" means that in a blind tasting session with a sample focus group with no prior experience or expertise in the area. More sugar and salt would give a better result.
"Same Price"? Cheaper ingredients - cheaper cuts or less flavoursome vegetables. Change hidden by taste enhancing items, such as sugar and salt.

Manufacturer makes cheaper product, that the customer prefers the taste to. Customer gets excited by something new, and manufacturer keeps the same price and earns more profit. Everyone is happy.
 

Davidc

Guru
Location
Somerset UK
There is an exception to all of this.

It's good on toast at breakfast
It's wonderful in sandwiches
Makes roast potatoes perfect
loads of other applications

Marmite!

The one processed food worth buying!
 

Fiona N

Veteran
There is an exception to all of this.

It's good on toast at breakfast
It's wonderful in sandwiches
Makes roast potatoes perfect
loads of other applications

Marmite!

The one processed food worth buying!

Unless you're in Denmark when it's chemically enhanced junk food :biggrin:
 

Davidc

Guru
Location
Somerset UK
Unless you're in Denmark when it's chemically enhanced junk food :biggrin:

No, it just hasn't been submitted for approval. The cost isn't justified by the demand - apparrently.

It's not much more than yeast and salt. Without it I'd probably suffer from salt deficiency!
 

GaryA

Subversive Sage
Location
High Shields
Sugar and veg oil fat are really converted fossil fuel; we eat oil through the agribusiness industries heavy reliance on fertilisers, pesticides and herbicides
both are implicated in the growing cancer rates in the developing and developed world....although you wont read that in the Daily Mail
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
Sugar and veg oil fat are really converted fossil fuel

I'm not familiar with coal, natural gas and oil being the sources of sugar and vegetable oils.

The plants that source veg oil and sugar are very fresh at the moment of conversion and haven'y had the chance to fossilise.

; we eat oil through the agribusiness industries heavy reliance on fertilisers, pesticides and herbicides
both are implicated in the growing cancer rates in the developing and developed world....although you wont read that in the Daily Mail


I'm not convinced that you have got your biology or your chemistry right. You could of course quote some peer reviewed papers to swing the argument.
 
But you need sugar and salt in your diet. Thats 2 of the main food groups, along with fat and alcohol of course.

I dislike the reduced sugar/salt (and organic come to it) foods costing more. The food manufacturer charges more for not putting ingredients in my beans that I didn't want there anyway. The museli is just an example of advertising that shouldn't happen 'no added sugar or salt' a way of telling the public that they didn't put something in it that it didn't need in the first place.
 

Zoiders

New Member
I don't see the problem with sugar and salt in the beans.

You do need it in your diet and if it's a well balanced one it creates no problem if there in small amounts, plenty of recipes and sauces that are perfectly healthy still use sugars and salt.

Yes some cheap food is sugar and salt laden crap but baked beans are a bad example of one, they are a well balanced staple food. You cant live on sugar and salt free carbs as you would feel like crap, especially if you lead an active life.
 
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