Pannier grazed.

[jonny jeez]

It was the OP who suggested it , my comment was merely to relate a story i had read ( on the CTC forum i think ) .

No its not ok to scratch cars as we see fit although would you still be telling Panther to get over it if the driver had knocked them over ?

wasn't a reply specifically to you Cyber...but to all the comments from those suggesting this is in any way a good idea...its not. its bloody stupid and will do huge damage (if it were ever reported by the press) to all cyclists.

And... No I wouldn't be telling him to get over it if he was knocked off nor would I if was held up at gun point or assaulted... but as none of these things actually happened... that comment is irrelevant.

 

[jonny jeez]

You can't be serious about this bit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can be

 

[BlackPanther]

Spikes on rods?!!...Bloody hell how many close passes do you lot get, if you get enough to feel the need to do that then I suggest you are riding incorrectly.



BP As for being nudged in stationary traffic...get over it, cyclist do it all the time to each other, should I attack the next one who does it with a spiked pole?

I get very very few close passes, but let me ask, how can I be riding incorrectly ? I was stationary at the time! (Please answer this, 'cos I'm gobsmacked as to how it can be my fault) This is the first time I've ever been nudged (although someone did once ride over my foot while I was stationary on the motorbike)

As for "cyclist do it all the time to each other," I've never been nudged by a fellow cyclist. I wasn't being serious about having defensive rods (I thought the thumbs up smiley and Dragons Den ref reflected this?)......but it's interesting to see the divide in opinion to such an idea.

My main reason for the thread was to point out that the driver made a mistake. and by apologising and admitting he was in the wrong, the whole situation was diffused. If he'd given me the finger and told me to F off, I think I would have reacted. Everyone (even me!) makes mistakes. Not many admit to them.

 

[jonny jeez]

Please answer this, 'cos I'm gobsmacked as to how it can be my fault)

its not, I didn’t say it was…I said "you lot"...not you.

this was a mistake made by an inattentive driver who apologised and admitted as much

This is the first time I've ever been nudged (although someone did once ride over my foot while I was stationary on the motorbike)

So its not really an issue then is it, never happened before, unlikely to ever happen again...honestly just let it go.(PS that motorcycle foot incident wasnt in Holbourn was it...please say no?)

My main reason for the thread was to point out that the driver made a mistake. and by apologising and admitting he was in the wrong, the whole situation was diffused. If he'd given me the finger and told me to F off, I think I would have reacted. Everyone (even me!) makes mistakes. Not many admit to them.

My point also, so please lets not start "Tooling up" over it (Not you...everyone)

 

[BlackPanther]

(PS that motorcycle foot incident wasnt in Holbourn was it...please say no?)

No, it was in Doncaster. I rode back in front, got off and confronted him. He didn't apologise or even acknowledge that he'd done it. Then a beat bobby came over to see what the prob was, and the driver then admits he'd done it (presumably he thought the cop had witnessed it, but it turned out he hadn't seen it happen.) Anyway, I was completely uninjured, so I left as the cop (also a motorcyclist) gave him one hell of a lecture. Justice done, but it just goes to show how most people won't admit they're at fault.



Reading between the lines though.....did you run over a motorcyclists foot in Holbourn?

 

[jonny jeez]

No, it was in Doncaster. I rode back in front, got off and confronted him. He didn't apologise or even acknowledge that he'd done it. Then a beat bobby came over to see what the prob was, and the driver then admits he'd done it (presumably he thought the cop had witnessed it, but it turned out he hadn't seen it happen.) Anyway, I was completely uninjured, so I left as the cop (also a motorcyclist) gave him one hell of a lecture. Justice done, but it just goes to show how most people won't admit they're at fault.



Reading between the lines though.....did you run over a motorcyclists foot in Holbourn?

I did...and am forever embarrassed. I posted about it here (by way of a confession for my sins)...it still makes me blush thinking about it.

I'll find the link one day.

PS I'm a motorcyclist so can add guilt and shame to the pile of emotions I carry around regarding this incident.

 

[BentMikey]

I've had some c@nt park on my foot when I was on the motorbike, I was seriously unamused. Jonny, you do seem to be far too casual about bumping and being bumped on the commute.

 

[jonny jeez]

I've had some c@nt park on my foot when I was on the motorbike, I was seriously unamused. Jonny, you do seem to be far too casual about bumping and being bumped on the commute.

It's not Casual Mikey...its acceptance of the human condition...we all make mistakes, You and I included.

I realise this and choose (Its a choice) not to let it get to me or carry it around with me for the rest of my life.. BP was nudged when he was at a standstill...I've had far worse treatment from other cyclist's whilst in traffic, in one such incident I am ashamed to say that I reacted badly and chased the guy down to have it out with him.

But I wont let that small experience (or others) blur my perspective to the point that I start to carry "spikes with rods" around with me.

That's just not the way I roll. Perhaps we all need to be a little more casual...as you put it.

 

[BentMikey]

I'm not saying anything about how we react to such, or rather than mistakes, blatant pushy impatience. I'm saying it's a mistake to be so casual and accepting of it. I don't accept that sort of behaviour.

 

[jonny jeez]

I'm not saying anything about how we react to such, or rather than mistakes, blatant pushy impatience. I'm saying it's a mistake to be so casual and accepting of it. I don't accept that sort of behaviour.

I understand, but I'm different to you in that regard as I do accept it...or choose to accept it

to a level.

I appreciate that this attitude could change in a heartbeat if I were ever to encounter something truly nasty (I came close once)...but so far that hasnt happened and I hope never will.

That said I respect your approach (along with Gaz and others) who activley make an effort to educate. Much as I dont like to do this myself I see that it IS having a positive effect with the press/media picking up on the plight of city cyclists...but its not for me.

I think the reason for this outlook is that I have a very long fuse... but an explosive temper that I like to keep in check for eveyones benifit