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*PING* Bentmikey

Discussion in 'CycleChat Cafe' started by Chuffy, 25 Sep 2007.

  1. Chuffy

    Chuffy Veteran

    BM, your sig-line ""The best way not to be noticed is to wear urban camouflage - hi viz clothing, lots of lights and reflectors and a helmet." Dr. Tony Raven."
    Could you elaborate?
     
  2. OP
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    Chuffy

    Chuffy Veteran

    Bump! I know he's about somewhere...
     
  3. Paulus

    Paulus Getting older by the minute

    Location:
    Barnet,
    Sorry Chuffy, I must of missed something. Prey tell;)
     
  4. OP
    OP
    Chuffy

    Chuffy Veteran

    His sig line Paulus. I'm curious about it.
     
  5. Paulus

    Paulus Getting older by the minute

    Location:
    Barnet,
    Ahhh. I think he rides a recumbent.
     
  6. Fnaar

    Fnaar Smutmaster General

    Location:
    Thumberland
    Perhaps by pinging it, it was too hi-viz, and therefore he didn't notice it? xx(
     
  7. OP
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    Chuffy

    Chuffy Veteran

    Ah, therein lies the nub of my curiosity. What is the alternative? :sad:
     
  8. Fnaar

    Fnaar Smutmaster General

    Location:
    Thumberland
    Hide it somewhere?
     
  9. BentMikey

    BentMikey Rider of Seolferwulf

    Location:
    South London
    Ah, sorry, missed this. Was off having an afternoon nap. xx(

    It's a comment from Tony Raven on uk.rec.cycling. You don't like it?
     
  10. OP
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    Chuffy

    Chuffy Veteran

    Hope you had a nice snooze BM. Hmmm, the word 'counterintuitive' springs to mind. What does he suggest as an alternative?
     
  11. PrettyboyTim

    PrettyboyTim New Member

    Location:
    Brighton
    I'm not sure Dr. Raven is right. The SMIDSY problem is down to people not expecting and not looking for cyclists, and people are less likely to notice things they're not looking for. The point of Hi-viz presumably being that it's bright up enough that it may invade on the consciousness of drivers despite the fact they're not actually looking for cyclists.

    Dr. Raven's quote implies that it would actually have the opposite effect and actively make you less likely to be noticed, but I can't see that being the case; the roads are not surrounded by flourescent screens that might hide a cyclist. Although there are a lot of people who wear hi-viz (builders, police, traffic wardens etc), they're hugely outnumbered by those who don't so I find it very hard to believe that you're more likely to be noticed in plain clothing.
     
  12. BentMikey

    BentMikey Rider of Seolferwulf

    Location:
    South London
    It seems much of visibility and safety is counter-intuitive. Look at how many people tell me I need a flag on my recumbent, or how it must be terribly difficult for people to see me on that bike. In my experience they see me slightly more often than they do when I'm on the fixed wheel, and then they give me huge amounts of room. Another one is that little "fear" wobble many of us do when we sense a bad or impatient driver behind us. It's an excellent way of giving yourself time and space.

    I'm convinced, as is Nuttycyclist and quite a few others, we've all experienced fewer close calls when we stopped wearing hiviz. It's not necessary to be seen in the urban environment, and it doesn't help you get any more space.

    Regardless, Tony is a sensible and intelligent poster, and worthy of some thought.
     
  13. OP
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    Chuffy

    Chuffy Veteran

    Ok, so (anecdotally) hi-viz isn't the bees knees. But would you give up lights and reflectives?
     
  14. BentMikey

    BentMikey Rider of Seolferwulf

    Location:
    South London
    No of course not - I interpret his comment as meaning *excessive* amounts of lights and reflectives.
     
  15. OP
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    Chuffy

    Chuffy Veteran

    Define excessive.