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mangaman

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Sorry to post this less than exciting thread but I promised my 13 year old niece I would.

She wants to be an architect when she grows up

I was wandering (as was she) what GCSEs / A levels are good

Also is it a sensible career move - ie are there likely to be jobs out there.

Her alternative was to be a professional Flamenco dancer in Andalucia, so I'd be interested in any tips you may have in this area too.

Thanks

By the way she gave me swine flu at the weekend, so I'm posting on her behalf from my sickbed, so she better appreciate it
 

dellzeqq

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mangaman said:
Sorry to post this less than exciting thread but I promised my 13 year old niece I would.

She wants to be an architect when she grows up

I was wandering (as was she) what GCSEs / A levels are good

Also is it a sensible career move - ie are there likely to be jobs out there.

Her alternative was to be a professional Flamenco dancer in Andalucia, so I'd be interested in any tips you may have in this area too.

Thanks

By the way she gave me swine flu at the weekend, so I'm posting on her behalf from my sickbed, so she better appreciate it
Not a problem. Flamenco dancing is a better bet.

You don't need to be especially bright (just as well, I hear you say) to study Architecture, and you certainly don't need much in the way of A-levels, although Art is good. My grade A Maths A-level was as big a hindrance to being accepted in to college as it was a help - in fact the admissions tutor who took me on did it to spite the system - he thought the ability to add up would cause his fellow tutors a bit of grief. You need to be clubbable, and to have relatives in the trade. That is what works in college.

Employment in Architecture is a miserable existence. A small number of highly motivated men (usually men) get to make a very decent living.

A far larger number of highly motivated but less ruthless young men and women work extraordinary hours without a scrap of job security, comparatively modest wages, and deal with ignorant clients, curmudgeonly and incompetent builders, quantity surveyors who know the price of everything and the cost of nothing and mechanical and electrical engineers (don't ask). To be honest it's not easy to succeed if you are anything close to being a nice person. And that comes from someone who, despite starting very late, did pretty well at it.

This won't put her off, nor will my confession that I get the most incredible high from passing by a building that I have designed - let's not forget the real reason the FNRttC goes to Southend! But truthfully a lot of people go in to and out of the profession without ever designing a building. Bear in mind that London has thousands of young Architects drawing the majority of the really good buildings in the world - but for the most part they just slave away on presentation drawings, or on schedules that could be done by well-trained chimps. And it's getting worse year by year. And it will get a good deal worse when Indian and Chinese companies finally crack what they need to do to get in to the global market. When the market revives.

So, Mr. Mangaman, put your daughter on the stage. The Kid wants to go to RADA. I think that would be a lot more sensible than spending six years on parts 1 and 2.

Oh, and the lovely young man who lives with my second daughter has just finished his part 2. And he's working for a removal company.
 
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mangaman

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Thanks Dell - I've already told her and she agrees!

I think she thought she'd cruise into a job designing the new Olympic Village or something. She's just back from Barcelona and a little taken with Gaudi at the moment.

I'll tell her to keep practising the castanets - she'd be a better dancer anyway

I suppose she could do both - no doubt Gaudi could do a bit of mean Tango (although I doubt Richard Rogers can)
 

dellzeqq

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I've been prompted to think about this again.

Six people died in a block of flats recently. It looks as if the reason for the deaths is a bodged services conversion job by Southwark Council. My guess is that they didn't employ an Architect.

Architects can't claim to be the most technically knowledgeable people in the world. What they do is to pull everything together. They ensure that things are designed, not in the sense that that somebody splashes a big felt-tip on large sheets of paper to come up with a fancy image, but in the sense that all the component parts are fit for the purpose, and they fit together to make a building that is considered at every scale from the smallest penetration in a sheet of plasterboard to the impact it has on its surroundings. That's quite a big job, but one that has to be done.

A few years ago I worked for a practice that was engaged by a housing association to mastermind two 'estate transfers'. My work comprised as much knocking on doors, and stumbling through language barriers as it did drawing. One estate, a crumbling thirties job, went very well. The other, an eleven story slab, sank without trace.

The reason for the sinking was that the full height glazing that covered one side of the slab block, running from balcony to balcony, hadn't been designed. The council had gone out to contractors who had assembled packages from sub-contractors, who had gone to window section manufacturers. The penny dropped when the caretaker told me that one of the sliding doors had fallen out of it's frame. I had a little play with the door, and it fell out on me - I'm quite strong, but even so it was a struggle to keep the thing from knocking me over. We went back through the procurement and supply chain and discovered that, although the glazing complied with the building regulations and the codes of practice, nobody had sat down and designed it for that particular use. Cue potential bill of one million pounds to replace. Exit housing association stage left.

So, perhaps the challenge of seeing something through, of bringing all the people and all the knowledge together might be something that your daughter would relish. It is a bit of a strain, and I usually cope by being unkind to people, but it is a task that has value. If I (or any number of others) had been engaged on that block in Southwark those six people wouldn't have died.
 
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mangaman

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I'm sure you're right.
Unfortunately, I did bring up with her the fact that presumably you must have a good knowledge of engineering before you start drawing pretty buidings in crayon which will fall down. She didn't like that idea.

That's one of the reasons I wondered whrther you needed a physics/maths A level
 

bonj2

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mangaman said:
Sorry to post this less than exciting thread but I promised my 13 year old niece I would.

She wants to be an architect when she grows up

I was wandering (as was she) what GCSEs / A levels are good

Also is it a sensible career move - ie are there likely to be jobs out there.

Her alternative was to be a professional Flamenco dancer in Andalucia, so I'd be interested in any tips you may have in this area too.

Thanks

By the way she gave me swine flu at the weekend, so I'm posting on her behalf from my sickbed, so she better appreciate it

be warned - the uni degree is not three years, not four, but SEVEN years.
I knew two lads who were doing it when i was at uni, they were still at it when everybody else had been in work for ages
 

peanut

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mangaman said:
I'm sure you're right.
Unfortunately, I did bring up with her the fact that presumably you must have a good knowledge of engineering before you start drawing pretty buidings in crayon which will fall down. She didn't like that idea.

That's one of the reasons I wondered whrther you needed a physics/maths A level

A good sound knowledge of construction engineering seemed to be regarded as a distinct disadvantage at Oxford . In fact as a mature student coming from a building background with a HND in construction I was definitely viewed with suspicion.

I wasn't accepted at Bath Uni (home town) which ran a BSc degree course rather than the BA at Oxford.

If I had my time again i would have chosen Building Surveying . Architecture proved to be a big dissapointment. Every time there is a recession half the Architectural practices fold and we all end up out of work and doing freelance planning apps for barn conversions or other dross.

I might recommend Planning .Planners have more power than Architects,neither need, nor have any appreciable design ability.Jobs are recession proof and they don't have to worry about 'limitations':sad:
 
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