Pootle bike

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SkipdiverJohn

Deplorable Brexiteer
Location
London
My Raleigh Pioneer. Simple, usable, enduring.

I'd agree with your description of the Pioneer's qualities, I'm really pleased to have got mine as it's a well built bike in the same way the old 3-speeds were. Now I can't say if the R501 frame influences this, but it seems more lively and not quite so laid back in the way it rides compared to a traditional roadster. It's not twitchy and doesn't try to catch you out, yet I wouldn't really describe it as lazy, more purposeful. I looked up the Pioneer frame geometry and it's 73* parallel. which is a hallway house between the 74-75* you'd expect on an all-out racer and the 72* or less traditionally found on tourers and utility frames. To me, it doesn't feel like a pootle bike, more like a bike that's capable of being ridden fairly briskly and covering reasonable distances without much fuss.

i think the SA gearing can be at least partially explained by changes in lifestyle and body composition through the decades. If you go back to the heyday of hub geared bikes, say from the 1930's up to the 1960's, many more people did manual occupations involving physical effort and people generally weren't overweight like they are today. What weight a rider carried would tend to be useful work-performing muscle, not superfluous fat. I believe the average level of fitness and physical strength was higher 50 years ago than it is today, and with less labour-saving gadgets around, physical exertion was part of everyday life.
 

raleighnut

Legendary Member
This is a nice 'pootle' bike,

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New picture of my Raleigh 'City' now with the 'new' Brooks B67s purchased from @velovoice (ignore the 'Fat Cat' that's just Fifi)

Just the finishing touch the bike needed.
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SkipdiverJohn

Deplorable Brexiteer
Location
London
This is a nice 'pootle' bike,

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I remember you posting this in the Vintage section but without the Brooks fitted. What are the origins of the donor bike? Was it a common Raleigh light roadster 3 speed to begin with, or did it get built around a bare frame from something else and then have the 3-speed bits added? The results are nice, but you'd have to regard it as a fair weather machine not having any mudguards!
 

raleighnut

Legendary Member
I remember you posting this in the Vintage section but without the Brooks fitted. What are the origins of the donor bike? Was it a common Raleigh light roadster 3 speed to begin with, or did it get built around a bare frame from something else and then have the 3-speed bits added? The results are nice, but you'd have to regard it as a fair weather machine not having any mudguards!
It was bought for a tenner from a 'scrap man' and looked to have spent a fair few years in a back garden, the (steel) wheelrims were totally 'shot' and the chain was 1 solid strip of rust. I've still got the mudguards and the chainguard in the shed but TBH it weighs enough as it is and that is after replacing the steel handlebars and cottered crank with Aluminium ones (as were the rims) The original plan was to build it as an 'urban' path racer (hence the lower bars) and have an alternative SS rear wheel but the accident put paid to that idea. I've now decided that it is too highly geared for my leg (I'd raised it slightly from standard by changing to bigger wheels and the crank has a couple more teeth than the steel one) so the next 'mod' will be a 24 tooth rear sprocket then it's a 'see what happens', I've often thought about re-enamelling it (the surface rust doesn't look bad in photos but in reality it is pretty bad but nothing major like 'rot') and toy with the idea of mudguards but then if it is raining I wear 'waterproofs' (even on mudguard equipped bikes)
 

raleighnut

Legendary Member
Love the bike (and Fifi :wub:)
Fifi is the cat that 'moved in' a few years ago. She had a very rough start in life, originally from Birmingham she had gotten pregnant in her 1st 'season' then was run over after having the Kittens and then her owners 'split up' and she came to live at her former owners cousins but unfortunately they discovered one of Colleens kids was extremely allergic to Cats so she 'lived' in the shed with her 4 Kittens. One day she just wandered into our house (by this time the kittens were weaned) and has been here ever since. Maz had overheard Colleen talking about Cats and Kittens and sure enough when Maz went round it was her they were talking about and it transpired that they'd found homes for the Kittens but no-one wanted 'Mum' and also that she was still a full 'Queen' despite having a shaven patch on her side/hip (she'd had an operation on her left rear leg so presumably it had been broken) so we had her 'done' vaccinated and micro-chipped.
Fifi is 6 now and still keeps coming back so she must like it here.

Anyway sorry for the thread de-rail, back to bikes, this is also a fine 'pootler'

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Even has mudguards @SkipdiverJohn :becool:
 
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