Positivity works!

[col]

If you feel like that write to your MP. Just don't complain when you can no longer use a camcorder/camera/mobile phone outside your own home.


If you've nothing to hide.......

Iv nothing to hide, or denyIts the covert use of these things that might cause what you say by people like yourself. But if you think that your secretly recording people is the right way to go,then record away,which is what you obviously are doing anyway.But if people realise what your doing while having one of your many incidents,it could make a situation worse,as i dont think many of us would be happy to realise someone is secretly recording you.
Is it legal?i dont know,but it certainly isnt honest.

 

[PBancroft]

Is it legal?i dont know,but it certainly isnt honest.

I beg to differ. I think it is honest - sure Magnatom wasn't upfront about recording the conversation, but it was in a public space, and it was by no means a private discussion such as a telephone conversation. You are almost certainly filmed several times a day without your knowledge or consent - it doesn't make the people who installed those cameras dishonest.

But disregarding all that, I think it was honest because it was an honest account of what transpired. There is no his word against theirs, just what is.

The only step which would have been more honest (and much more unlikely) would be for a third party to have recorded the situation without the knowledge of Magnatom or the driver.

 

[magnatom]

Iv nothing to hide, or denyIts the covert use of these things that might cause what you say by people like yourself. But if you think that your secretly recording people is the right way to go,then record away,which is what you obviously are doing anyway.But if people realise what your doing while having one of your many incidents,it could make a situation worse,as i dont think many of us would be happy to realise someone is secretly recording you.
Is it legal?i dont know,but it certainly isnt honest.

It is entirely legal. I have had a discussion about this very topic with the information commissioner, which I am more than happy to send on to you if you are interested.

I have plenty of experience filming, as I am sure you are aware, and I have never had any situation get worse when I pointed out I was filming. Quite the opposite, and I am sure that is the experience of others.

I personally have absolutely no problem whatsoever with anyone filming me in a public place. If I am daft enough to do anything which is wrong in one of these videos then the only person to blame is me. Not the person filming. By the way, a bus is a public place....

Oh and it'd nice to know you think I am dishonest...

 

[Bugner]

Surely having a recording emphasises honesty, there can be no hear-say or fabrication of the truth or the facts!!

 

[magnatom]

I think col is just trying to add some negativity to the positivity!

 

[col]

It is entirely legal. I have had a discussion about this very topic with the information commissioner, which I am more than happy to send on to you if you are interested.

I have plenty of experience filming, as I am sure you are aware, and I have never had any situation get worse when I pointed out I was filming. Quite the opposite, and I am sure that is the experience of others.

I personally have absolutely no problem whatsoever with anyone filming me in a public place. If I am daft enough to do anything which is wrong in one of these videos then the only person to blame is me. Not the person filming. By the way, a bus is a public place....

Oh and it'd nice to know you think I am dishonest...

Im talking about conversations,not filming which you point out to them to save a beating normally,but recording conversations with out the other knowing.I believe a bus isnt a public place,its private,you pay for the right to travel on it,following their rules.
The act of what you do secretly recording conversations is i believe dishonest,so that in itself makes you dishonest i suppose?Do you think you are being honest with someone when you secretly record what they say?

 

[magnatom]

Im talking about conversations,not filming which you point out to them to save a beating normally,but recording conversations with out the other knowing.I believe a bus isnt a public place,its private,you pay for the right to travel on it,following their rules.
The act of what you do secretly recording conversations is i believe dishonest,so that in itself makes you dishonest i suppose?Do you think you are being honest with someone when you secretly record what they say?

So do members of public tend to frequent buses then? I think you'll find that the law disagrees with you about the publicity of buses!

Look col, lets look at the facts here. Bus driver endangers a road user and might do it again. I get proof of his attitude towards other road users, i.e. it is very poor. the company agrees with me (by the way, they haven't actually seen the video!) and he will be punished/retrained accordingly. Result. Where is the dishonesty?

What is your view on programmes like Rogue Trader?

You just have to accept that in this country, in public places (there are exceptions I know) that you could be recorded without your knowledge. I have no problem with that, and act in public in a manner that I feel would not draw any attention to myself on said recordings. So to answer your question, no, it is not dishonest in the slightest.

As I said, if you don't like the law, write to your MP.

 

[col]

So do members of public tend to frequent buses then? I think you'll find that the law disagrees with you about the publicity of buses!

Look col, lets look at the facts here. Bus driver endangers a road user and might do it again. I get proof of his attitude towards other road users, i.e. it is very poor. the company agrees with me (by the way, they haven't actually seen the video!) and he will be punished/retrained accordingly. Result. Where is the dishonesty?

What is your view on programmes like Rogue Trader?

You just have to accept that in this country, in public places (there are exceptions I know) that you could be recorded without your knowledge. I have no problem with that, and act in public in a manner that I feel would not draw any attention to myself on said recordings. So to answer your question, no, it is not dishonest in the slightest.

As I said, if you don't like the law, write to your MP.

Buses can be used by the public,its not a public place,its a privately owned vehicle with a lot of rules and regs to follow when you pay for the right to travel.Thats why inspectors can fine fare dodgers,or get undesireables removed.And a bus can go out of sevice and refuse travel to anyone not wanted on the bus.because it isnt a public vehicle,its a private vehicle offering a sevice in exchange for money.
Ill leave that to you,when you have a secretly recorded witness.Just curious,but all this help you want to give to the public,when are you going to tackle anti social gangs on the streets,i mean they are as easily found,normally in the same area upsetting the locals?And as you have pointed out on a number of accasions,you can handle yourself,so it shouldnt worry you should it?
And secretly recording a conversation is dishonest,doesnt matter how you butter it up.

 

[Jake]

good result

 

[col]

good result

It is,but done in a dishonest way.

 

[goo_mason]

Buses can be used by the public,its not a public place,its a privately owned vehicle with a lot of rules and regs to follow when you pay for the right to travel.Thats why inspectors can fine fare dodgers,or get undesireables removed.And a bus can go out of sevice and refuse travel to anyone not wanted on the bus.because it isnt a public vehicle,its a private vehicle offering a sevice in exchange for money.
Ill leave that to you,when you have a secretly recorded witness.Just curious,but all this help you want to give to the public,when are you going to tackle anti social gangs on the streets,i mean they are as easily found,normally in the same area upsetting the locals?And as you have pointed out on a number of accasions,you can handle yourself,so it shouldnt worry you should it?
And secretly recording a conversation is dishonest,doesnt matter how you butter it up.

Col, if Magnatom had told us about this incident, but hadn't recorded it and the driver subsequently lied about what had been said, and a few months down the line the same driver killed a cyclist through his impatience, how would you feel then ? Would you say "If only Magnatom had had a way to prove what had really happened that day and the driver had been warned / retrained, that person might still be alive and at home with his family / wife / kids / new baby" ?

Just curious....

 

[magnatom]

Buses can be used by the public,its not a public place,its a privately owned vehicle with a lot of rules and regs to follow when you pay for the right to travel.Thats why inspectors can fine fare dodgers,or get undesireables removed.And a bus can go out of sevice and refuse travel to anyone not wanted on the bus.because it isnt a public vehicle,its a private vehicle offering a sevice in exchange for money.
Ill leave that to you,when you have a secretly recorded witness.Just curious,but all this help you want to give to the public,when are you going to tackle anti social gangs on the streets,i mean they are as easily found,normally in the same area upsetting the locals?And as you have pointed out on a number of accasions,you can handle yourself,so it shouldnt worry you should it?
And secretly recording a conversation is dishonest,doesnt matter how you butter it up.

You really are talking absolute rubbish now col. Your suggesting that I should be targeting anti social gangs?

I target no-one. I film what I come across. I can assure you, I would film an anti social gang if required. I have faced up to neds in the past, especially the ones who I saw running off with my car aerial (which I got back!). But what does any of that have to do with anything? Are you suggesting that what I do has no worth? What do you do col, that provides you with legitimacy to lecture from your 'high horse'? I try to make a difference, no matter how small it might be.

With regards to public places, this 'conversation' is with regards to filming, and the filming on a bus, is constituted as public as far as the DPA is concerned. End of story.

As for dishonest, that is your opinion, but that is all it is. Fair enough. I'm certainly not perfect, but dishonest is not something that anyone who knows me, has ever suggested I am.

You my friend are a and I collect my £5.

 

[magnatom]

Oh and col, you didn't answer my question, what do you think about programmes like Rouge Trader?

 

[col]

Col, if Magnatom had told us about this incident, but hadn't recorded it and the driver subsequently lied about what had been said, and a few months down the line the same driver killed a cyclist through his impatience, how would you feel then ? Would you say "If only Magnatom had had a way to prove what had really happened that day and the driver had been warned / retrained, that person might still be alive and at home with his family / wife / kids / new baby" ?

Just curious....

I understand goo,and that would be an awful scenario,but all i was saying was that it seems dishonest recording conversations secretly,but thats unacceptable so telling me about things that happen when bad drivers are out there doesnt excuse it.I cant get passed the idea of it being not right.

 

[col]

Oh and col, you didn't answer my question, what do you think about programmes like Rouge Trader?

Here we go I think they do a cracking job of showing robbing cowboys up for what they are.
What does that have to do with the fact that secretly recording someones conversation is dishonest?

Oh and mag,you didnt answer my question?