Prius: the world's most environmentally disastrous car

[mustang1]

We will ignore what the 'essential' bus, van and HGV's pump out at the same time then in the capital when people complain of vehicle emissions ?

Also, How much time as a percentage does a Pious actually spend moving purely under battery driven conditions in London traffic ?

For Question 1 I didn't understand what you meant. Can you elborate?
For Question 2: I think most of the time, Prius is on battery power since it's slow moving London traffic. During the time it is running on petrol (during short bursts of hard acceleration or when the battery it outta juice), I would point to the fact that hybrid cars are making a move (no pun intended) in the right direction.

I also wonder if the OP's question relates only to Pruis-hybrid or Prius-all-electric. Will the same question apply to electric powered bikes (which I think will become increasingly popular).... I'm not sure the batteries on those will even last 10 years. And the batteries in your lights which I suppose you dispose every few months... should we all use dynamo lighting instead? Shall we just get rid of batteries altogether? Are you typing on a laptop....?

 

[theclaud]

The anti 4x4 brigade here who wear Superdry branded clothing

Are there more of those than there are "knitters", just out of interest?

 

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2774888, member: 45"]Well no. You've picked one example and even that one doesn't support your claim.



It wasn't. What does that have to do with comfort levels?



Superdry (that authentic Japanese label created by a middle class bloke in Cheltenham) is very popular amongst those who drive status symbol vehicles.



Nope. Discos are very much in vogue amongst those looking for a status symbol car.[/quote]


I got my info from a local Smart Car specialist, what part of it do you feel is misleading ?

What has comfort levels got to do with anything ? I've got the use of a Mk1 Focus Ghia now, Daughter had a 2010 plate Zetec and now a 2013 Titanium Focus. I've driven both. Never been in a TDV6 Disco, so can't comment, but their value is in their utility capability...I've no interest in any other reason for ownership of a 4x4.

I quoted him as an example as he is more the exception than the rule. Most people with 4x4's use them to tow.
You will find that his efforts are bringing in many millions of £££££ in tax revenue.
Yo Sushi is also a british invention...it is also now a global brand bringing money into to the UK.
What might you do in your day job to help the trade deficits that you migth sneer at these people ?

 

[Crackle]

I think you must run on Duracell batteries Linf as you're still banging the drum when everyone else has stopped.

 

[Spinney]

Moderator message This is getting way off topic. That isn't too much of a problem in the cafe, but it is also getting acrimonious. Please try to stop the sniping at each other and try to keep to somewhere near the topic of the OP.

 

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2775142, member: 45"]You said most had significant problems by 70k miles, then picked from a list of Smart cars for sale (still going with higher mileage than that) one that had some work done 10k past your claim.

Someone mentioned new Discos and I said that our Focus is more comfortable. That's all. Then you wittered something about a Focus in the snow.

Rubbish.

See, tangent here. I don't need to respond and for the sake of your confusion I won't.[/quote]

Perhaps he was very gentle with it....would you like me to go hunting for some more examples or are you determined to split hairs...either way 85k on a car engine is rubbish. they must have nursed that one for a while before biting the bullet...a new engine is a lot of money....even in a smart car

The point is that these mcro cars, are not built to last whereas 4x4's are.. Mine is 23 years old now and still going strong

Moderator edit: @Linford - I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were composing this at the same time I was typing my warning. The next post from anyone that continues the bickering gets the poster a threadban.

 

[asterix]

It was interesting this morning to see what the planet Mars used to be like. Very like our own planet in fact.

I wonder how it got to be a waterless, airless, sunblasted desert?

 

[Spinney]

Not via people driving Prius cars, or even 4x4s!
And it's not airless.

Now, back on topic?

 

[theclaud]

Not via people driving Prius cars, or even 4x4s!
And it's not airless.

Now, back on topic?

To be fair to @asterix, the thread is about environmental disaster. It's in the title. And his question was more interesting than Linfy and Mr P arguing about their cars.

 

[Bollo]

It was interesting this morning to see what the planet Mars used to be like. Very like our own planet in fact.

I wonder how it got to be a waterless, airless, sunblasted desert?

My bet is that the Mars Daily Mail had just printed a headline the previous week entitled "Coldest and Wettest Mars Winter in Decades!". Just after the story about Venusians stealing benefits.

 

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2775208, member: 45"]I'll take us back here, as this appears to be a legitimate response to the OP and hasn't really been discussed.

Are they more disposable than your non-hybrid equivalent?[/quote]


Is there a source for this claim ?. My workmate has a lithium battery e-bike, has done thousands of miles on it, but the battery needed replacing last year at 4 years old. The thing abotu a Prius is that the battery is only a supplement to a petrol engine, not the other way around. You can still drive them on petrol even when they are knackered.

 

[Linford]

I would suggest battery leasing would be a good way to smooth the risk but why not just abandon private car ownership?

This has been covered in the car hire thread...car hire co's are sharks

 

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2775277, member: 259"]There are, increasingly, good alternatives, like the excellent Cambio system here.

It saves me a lot of money over ownership for my occasional car/van use.

But this kind of thing would obviously be no good for people like Linf, who live in the middle of nowhere. [/quote]


I already do car sharing...I have a family and taxi them around
I also do a mix of cycle and motorcycle commuting when the weather is OK.
I've also given people I work with lifts in both the car and as pillions on my motorcycle before now.
I suggest you establish the facts before pointing the finger in my direction Mort

 

[Linford]

It is a bit unfair to refer to Cheltenham as nowhere. I was there a few months ago and it looked like it could be the red trousers capital of the world

That would be Tewkesbury...My E-bike colleague wears them, but he is an old hippie

 

[asterix]

Not via people driving Prius cars, or even 4x4s!
And it's not airless.

Now, back on topic?

We have evidence that an environment similar to ours existed and has since become one that would not support us for a second. There is conjecture that our activities, such as using internal combustion engines may produce a similar result. The Prius is an attempt to mitigate the effects of the internal combustion engine.

Now, do you understand why my post was relevant?