PSA for anybody who loves sacred music.
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srw
It's a bit more complicated than that...
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srw
It's a bit more complicated than that...
Odd. Souter is an evangelical of the kind who usually thinks that Kendrick and co are great musicians - and anything written more than 10 years ago isn't with-it enough to be performed in church.
Like I said, the Royal School of Church Music has been promoting excellence in church music for 80-something years.
Maz
Guru
OK - I was thinking way too deep. I thought it might have something to do with sacred music!
EltonFrog
Legendary Member
I'm going to stick my neck out here and voice an opinion that may offend and be controversial. If you are offended, don't worry, you'll be fine; you will get over it.
I'm drawn to the headline in the original article;
"A leading Scots lay Catholic has claimed the music sung in churches is "lousy" and is the reason why young people have stopped going to Mass."
It is my sincere opinion that anything that stops young people going into a church is not a bad thing but having listened to some of the alternative music on offer, I'm not sure that is going to help the church, it is truly awful, borderline molestation of the mind.
The views and opinions expressed in my posts are solely mine and are not the views of cycle-chat or its parents, my parents, my neighbours, affiliates, other cyclists or subsidiaries.
I'm drawn to the headline in the original article;
"A leading Scots lay Catholic has claimed the music sung in churches is "lousy" and is the reason why young people have stopped going to Mass."
It is my sincere opinion that anything that stops young people going into a church is not a bad thing but having listened to some of the alternative music on offer, I'm not sure that is going to help the church, it is truly awful, borderline molestation of the mind.
The views and opinions expressed in my posts are solely mine and are not the views of cycle-chat or its parents, my parents, my neighbours, affiliates, other cyclists or subsidiaries.
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And for the non-Philistines, there is a new series about sacred music starting this evening on BBC4 at 19:30 - details!The philistines of Cycle Chat set out for a friendly forum ride together....
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User169
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Late 20th century wise, the US has produced huge quantities of great music of a religious bent. A couple of snippets..
Louvin Brothers (heavily influenced by their Baptist upbringing)
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and the Killer in fine gospel voice (JLL's background is Pentacostal)
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]View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgAVoPWujac[/youtube]
Louvin Brothers (heavily influenced by their Baptist upbringing)
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]View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcRG_HkkoPA[/youtube]
and the Killer in fine gospel voice (JLL's background is Pentacostal)
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]View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgAVoPWujac[/youtube]
I'm with you on that. The Catholic Church can comfort itself with the thought that congregations would recover if only they changed the music/language/clothing/whatever, but all over the world organised religion is declining as education and living standards improve.
For a few years I had a 'church every day and twice on Sundays' childhood. As an adult I still like the music.
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Globalti
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I couldn't agree more; the underlying reason for the decline in Christain religions is increasing levels of education and the predominance of science, religion being, after all, only superstition.
The only religions that are thriving are Islamic because Islam gives hope, direction and meaning to people who are impoverished, desperate and otherwise uneducted, sadly a large and growing proportion of the world's population.
However if the Christian churches were able to reverse the idiotic trend of simplification and reintroduce some romance and beauty in the form of the latin liturgy and some decent music I'm sure there would be at least a partial revival of people happy to sit in church for the aesthetic pleasure and inspiration they could derive. Last year I took an African visitor to mass at Stonyhurst College, the seat of the Jesuit faith in England and was delighted to discover that they still hold a serious traditional mass with some latin and a superb Mozart Ave Verum Corpus sung by the choir at Communion. By contrast the 45 minute morning "quickie" at my local church is uninspiring and insultingly simple with its dreadful Kendrick-inspired happy-clappy crap.
The only religions that are thriving are Islamic because Islam gives hope, direction and meaning to people who are impoverished, desperate and otherwise uneducted, sadly a large and growing proportion of the world's population.
However if the Christian churches were able to reverse the idiotic trend of simplification and reintroduce some romance and beauty in the form of the latin liturgy and some decent music I'm sure there would be at least a partial revival of people happy to sit in church for the aesthetic pleasure and inspiration they could derive. Last year I took an African visitor to mass at Stonyhurst College, the seat of the Jesuit faith in England and was delighted to discover that they still hold a serious traditional mass with some latin and a superb Mozart Ave Verum Corpus sung by the choir at Communion. By contrast the 45 minute morning "quickie" at my local church is uninspiring and insultingly simple with its dreadful Kendrick-inspired happy-clappy crap.
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User169
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Who knows! But then I'm not entirely sure that longevity is necessarily the best indicator of quality.
I reckon that of the two I posted, Jerry Lee's music will be listened to for a very long time to come - mind you, Jerry Lee's going straight to hell and the devil does indeed have the best tunes.
And let's face it, you could go pretty much anywhere on the planet and be guaranteed to find someone who could sing "Great Balls of Fire". On the other hand, I'd doubt that outside a very very very small number of afficiandos that you'd be able to find anyone at all to hum you some Praetorius. I'm not sure I could and I played quite a bit of his music as a kid.
By the way, did you mean Tavener (Ikon-loving, Greek-orthodox influenced, contemporary composer) or the 16th century Taverner? I quite like some of the fomer's work and I've played in a couple of performances of the Protecting Veil which seems to be influenced by Tavener's religious preoccupations. It's a bit dull to play, but undoubtedly atmospheric..
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Globalti
Legendary Member
I meant the older Taverner who is up there with the greats of sacred music but the present-day John Tavener has his fans, especially since the exposure he received at the Princess of Wales's funeral.
Plenty of today's sacred and secular classics would have been popular music in the centuries before electrical reproduction became possible because a public perfomance in church or a hall would have been almost the only opportunity to hear music. I'd bet that some of the lighter music of composers lke Vivaldi and Mozart would have been popular tunes, hummed, sung, whistled and copied all over the land. Amongst inventors of musical instruments the competition was to achieve more volume for public performances as you will know if you've read Howard Goodall's excellent Big Bangs or you saw his TV series. In parallel to classical music was folk, which could be played on a small stringed or wind instrument in the room of a home or a public house and folk and classical have been borrowing ideas from each other for centuries.
Plenty of today's sacred and secular classics would have been popular music in the centuries before electrical reproduction became possible because a public perfomance in church or a hall would have been almost the only opportunity to hear music. I'd bet that some of the lighter music of composers lke Vivaldi and Mozart would have been popular tunes, hummed, sung, whistled and copied all over the land. Amongst inventors of musical instruments the competition was to achieve more volume for public performances as you will know if you've read Howard Goodall's excellent Big Bangs or you saw his TV series. In parallel to classical music was folk, which could be played on a small stringed or wind instrument in the room of a home or a public house and folk and classical have been borrowing ideas from each other for centuries.
