Racing on Roads to be outlawed?

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girofan

New Member
Is this the begining of the end, what's your take on this?

Two Police Community Support Officers who stopped a bike race were criticised for their actions by police sergeant James Makepeace (Wildside RT) who was riding it. He told them they had exceeded their authority.

The incident happened when the CSOs received a complaint about the Addiscombe CC Surrey Road Racing League 60-mile event on March 29.

According to Makepeace, a local resident had voiced concern about the safety of the event and asked the police to take a look.

The race was being held in heavy rain and strong cross winds and when the two police Community Support Officers (CSOs) saw riders echeloning out across the road they suggested to the commissaire that he stop the race.


Looks like when Squire Bigknob complains constabularies still jump!!
 

mondobongo

Über Member
Think in this case the Plastic Bobbies got over excited at being asked to investigate something, hence the over the top approach.

Overall I think the Police would like to get rid of road racing, wasn't a big race pulled not so long ago due to lack of Police support. Then there was the debacle during the ToB last year.
 

John the Monkey

Frivolous Cyclist
Location
Crewe
mondobongo said:
Overall I think the Police would like to get rid of road racing, wasn't a big race pulled not so long ago due to lack of Police support.

It was the Archer, I think you're talking about;

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/web/site/BC/roa/News2008/20080218_Archer_GP_Ends.asp

(The link is to a British Cycling press release).

It's a shame stuff like this is happening on the roads when cycling is on such a high following the track championships - Cycling Weekly said the team was now the most successful british sporting team ever. The british attitude towards roads in general (that they are for cars, silly) must be at least partly to blame, I think.
 

Dave5N

Über Member
Renard said:
Spineless commissaires IMO.

Jumping the gun. Were you there? Did the comms stop it?

Most Comms have a bit of experience and IME will not be browbeaten by a couple of plastic coppers.
 

Dave5N

Über Member
Girofan posts his prejudices not the facts. There is a big difference between a couple of plastic coppers getting it wrong, a police super refusing to guarantee safe passage, and a change to legislation ('outlawing')
 

Aint Skeered

New Member
The facts are all wrong. If the race was stopped how come I've just been looking at the result!
As for slagging the commissaires off, well that's bang out of order.
Where would we be if we did not have these people turning up in all weathers, so we can race.
Shame on you Renard, you should retract that comment.
 

LLB

Guest
I rode up to London on my M/cycle and back on that day. On the journey back was the only day in my memory of 25 years of motorcycle riding, which I really felt some fear of the crosswinds pushing me into the other lanes. The gusting really was that strong, and I resorted to tucking into a racing crouch behind the fairing between on the A40 (Witney to Andoversford) to reduce the effect.

I'm not at all surprised that the riders were being blown around that day.

I don't think it means any more than concern for the safety of the riders given the particular circumstances on that day in question.
 
Here's rather more details
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...p_Addiscombe_CC_road_race_article_226238.html

COMMUNITY OFFICERS WHO STOPPED RACE 'EXCEEDED AUTHORITY'
Tuesday 8th April 2008 - Keith Bingham

Two Police Community Support Officers who stopped a bike race were criticised for their actions by police sergeant James Makepeace (Wildside RT) who was riding it. He told them they had exceeded their authority.

The incident happened when the CSOs received a complaint about the Addiscombe CC Surrey Road Racing League 60-mile event on March 29.

According to Makepeace, a local resident had voiced concern about the safety of the event and asked the police to take a look.

The race was being held in heavy rain and strong cross winds and when the two police Community Support Officers (CSOs) saw riders echeloning out across the road they suggested to the commissaire that he stop the race.

Commissaire Keith Brooks, who had become concerned with the standard of riding in windy and wet conditions, agreed the race should be stopped. It was the manner in which it was stopped which caused concern. As Brooks waited his chance to get through the pack, the CSO's put their blue flashing light on and drove past the bunch.

As it was, only the main bunch was halted in the closing stages of the 60-mile second and third-category race. The leading break of 16 riders were out of sight and continued to the finish on the Henfold Circuit near Dorking, where Ben Wilson, a BC private member, won. There were 22 finishers. 20 dnfs, and 34 riders disqualified!

Makepeace, a former junior international, accused the Community Support Officers of driving dangerously.

"The issue for me was how they stopped the race," said Makepeace. "That's the commissaire's job. His decision.

"A police CSO is not a warranted police officer. They don't have the authority to put the blue light on when moving. They don't have the authority to stop a race," said Makepeace who described what happened.

"I heard a repeated beeping on a horn and looked back to see this silver jeep thing, with the lettering, Community Support Officers on the side. I heard shouting, and I thought what's he doing. The race was going downhill at 30mph. He was on the wrong side of the road and vehicles had to stop for him.

"Ahead was a right-hand bend and a T-junction where the race would go left. He pulled sharply into the junction, and stopped across both sides of the road. It was wet and dangerous. I saw riders run into the back of his vehicle. But no one was hurt.

"I told the CSO I was a police sergeant in Sussex who supervises CSOs! And he said to me, 'well this is Surrey, mate'. I told him that what he had done was more dangerous than the race!

"I said to him 'I know what you can do. You should know what you can do. But you don't know."

Makepeace has made a formal complaint to Surrey Police about the incident.
"As far as organisation of the race is concerned, it was first class," added Makepeace.

Keith Brooks, the race commissaire, told Cycling Weekly that he had become concerned at what he described as "poor riding" in difficult conditions. "Unfortunately there were echelons. One rider ended up in a ditch, another touched wheels

Cars approaching the race were forced to stop."

Unfortunately, they included the CSOs in their car, who had received a complaint about the race.

"They were very nice about it," said Brooks, "saying they didn'twant to stop the race, suggesting a talk afterwards in the dressing rooms.

"But then they followed the race and saw riders swinging out across the full width of road.

"They then said to me it will have to stop. I agreed. And they put their blue light on and drove past!"

"They stopped a bit quick," said Brooks who heard there had been spill, but when he asked who had fallen, no rider came forward. He has filed his report to the police about the incident.

Ironically, the CSOs commented on how well the event was organised. Brooks said the Surrey Cycle Racing League enjoys excellent relationships with Surrey police.

So
- commissaire concerned with standard of riding : dangerous wet/windy conditions, echeloning across whole road, interfering with other traffic, collisions between riders, etc : note 34 riders DQ'd !
- CSO's agree with commissaire, race to be stopped
- CSO's stop it in a gung-ho manner, driving dangerously on wrong side of road then halting in junction and riders colliding with their car
- toys out of pram between 'real' police sergeant riding race and plastic coppers re their authority/jurisdiction
- lots of paperwork from all concerned

Will be interesting to see what comes of it -hopefully nothing much, as if it causes any changes I can't see them being anything positive.
 

Aint Skeered

New Member
Yep agree, we should learn from it, and move on.
Mud slinging is only going to aggrievate the situation.
I was supposed to ride, but I bottled it, glad I did now.
The commisaire did the right thing through.
 
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