Ramblers association for cyclists

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nickp

New Member
Hi all.

Probally been asked before but is there an association like the ramblers one but for cyclists.

I have been looking at a lot of routes i would like to do over the last couple of days but they are the are not many that i can use on my bike, they are all for walkers only. I could just ride them anyway but it would be nice to have more freedom.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
I'm not sure what you're getting at, organisations, well the CTC. There's also the dreaded sustrans.

If you want to know where bridleways are the best way to find out is to look on Orange or Pink OS maps. These are available at all good libraries. NCN routes are also marked on OS maps.
 
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nickp

New Member
marinyork said:
I'm not sure what you're getting at, organisations, well the CTC. There's also the dreaded sustrans.

If you want to know where bridleways are the best way to find out is to look on Orange or Pink OS maps. These are available at all good libraries. NCN routes are also marked on OS maps.

Yeah, i meant organisations trying to get more access for cyclists.

I have an OS map but there are not many bridleways were i want to go, it's all footpaths.
 

Jonathan M

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Location
Merseyside
nickp said:
Yeah, i meant organisations trying to get more access for cyclists.

I have an OS map but there are not many bridleways were i want to go, it's all footpaths.

Well, without getting too political, off road cyclists will have suffered slightly due to an act of law brought in about 2 1/2 years called NERC, a significant part of which was to "standardise" the rights of way network. Lots of routes that previously were classed as Roads Used as Public Paths (RUPPs), and Byways Open to All Traffic (BOATs) were reclassified, and in many cases were downgraded to footpath status, regardless of what evidence could prove historical usage, or to "restricted bridleways". This had the most significant impact on motorised users, as the bridleway network as it stood, except BOATs, remained largely unchanged. But some RUPPs & BOATs were lost to cycling and the local authorities won't be quick to look at usage, it is too much trouble.

The point is that the Ramblers association has a lot of political weight behind it (NERC & the "Right to Roam" being prime example). Public consultations were sought with user groups with respect to NERC, but none of the groups that represented none-walkers (CRAG, Trail Riders Fellowship, RSF etc) could get enough unity together to present a coherent front.

One group that may be trying to achieve what you describe - trying to get more access for cyclists, off road - is the International Mountain Bike Association UK (IMBA UK http://www.imba.org.uk/ ) but you will see that they place a significant emphasis on trail building alongside rights of way access. They even have a "Rules of the Trail", which are generally good, but reflect the American roots of the organisation in the point of "Be sensitive to the soil beneath you and practice low-impact cycling. Wet and muddy trails are more vulnerable to damage, so when the trail is soft, consider riding alternative trails.". Well, thats a lot of UK mountain biking out for 11 months of the year then, isn't it?
 
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nickp

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Jonathan M said:
One group that may be trying to achieve what you describe - trying to get more access for cyclists, off road - is the International Mountain Bike Association UK (IMBA UK http://www.imba.org.uk/ ) but you will see that they place a significant emphasis on trail building alongside rights of way access. They even have a "Rules of the Trail", which are generally good, but reflect the American roots of the organisation in the point of "Be sensitive to the soil beneath you and practice low-impact cycling. Wet and muddy trails are more vulnerable to damage, so when the trail is soft, consider riding alternative trails.". Well, thats a lot of UK mountain biking out for 11 months of the year then, isn't it?

Thanks Jonathan, thats what i was looking for.

It's a shame we don't have the same access as the scottish.
 

on the road

Über Member
Sustrans are probably the equivalent of the ramblers association.
 

Jonathan M

New Member
Location
Merseyside
on the road said:
Sustrans are probably the equivalent of the ramblers association.

Nah, probably not, as their aims are to (from Sustrans website)

reduce the environmental and resource impacts of transport
enable people to choose active travel more often
provide car-free access to essential local services
create streets and public spaces into places for people to enjoy.

While they do a massive amount of work in increasing cycling and safe routes for cyclists, they don't really have any focus on access rights in terms of the RoW network in England & Wales, their principles would be that peopleshould be able to enjoy safe cycling routes close to home rather than drive 100 miles to ride a man-made or RoW route in a national park. They are also not just cycling focused, they wish to increase any sustainable form of transport for either communting or leisure, so they often promote traffic free options, such as shared cycleway/footpaths.

For cyclists in general, the CTC is possibly the only joined up group representing us on a national level, for off road access to RoW then either the RSF or IMBA UK.
 
Jonathan M said:
Well, without getting too political, off road cyclists will have suffered slightly due to an act of law brought in about 2 1/2 years called NERC, a significant part of which was to "standardise" the rights of way network. Lots of routes that previously were classed as Roads Used as Public Paths (RUPPs), and Byways Open to All Traffic (BOATs) were reclassified, and in many cases were downgraded to footpath status, regardless of what evidence could prove historical usage, or to "restricted bridleways". This had the most significant impact on motorised users, as the bridleway network as it stood, except BOATs, remained largely unchanged. But some RUPPs & BOATs were lost to cycling and the local authorities won't be quick to look at usage, it is too much trouble.

The point is that the Ramblers association has a lot of political weight behind it (NERC & the "Right to Roam" being prime example). Public consultations were sought with user groups with respect to NERC, but none of the groups that represented none-walkers (CRAG, Trail Riders Fellowship, RSF etc) could get enough unity together to present a coherent front.

One group that may be trying to achieve what you describe - trying to get more access for cyclists, off road - is the International Mountain Bike Association UK (IMBA UK http://www.imba.org.uk/ ) but you will see that they place a significant emphasis on trail building alongside rights of way access. They even have a "Rules of the Trail", which are generally good, but reflect the American roots of the organisation in the point of "Be sensitive to the soil beneath you and practice low-impact cycling. Wet and muddy trails are more vulnerable to damage, so when the trail is soft, consider riding alternative trails.". Well, thats a lot of UK mountain biking out for 11 months of the year then, isn't it?

The bottom line is 'if you are not walking, you have lost out'

The selfish Tramplers Ramblers have not just screwed the motoring groups, they have done so for many others (including cyclists).

With this in mind, how could anyone want to associate themselves with this selfish bunch.
 

Globalti

Legendary Member
betty swollocks said:

Don't think the OP will go with this suggestion as (I believe) the Rough Stuff are a bunch of, er, more venerable cyclists.

Before about 1955 all country routes were bridleways but then many were re-classified as footpaths so that local authorities could avoid costly maintenance. In the recent changes I believe something similar may have happened again with routes used by vehicles. In my book there's no harm in riding an ancient bridleway if it evolved for horses, as long as you don't skid and tear up the surface or damage gates, fences etc.

Best way to find out about local routes is to go out with an informal club or group; many bike shops have groups going out once or twice a week. When I moved to where I live now I was dismayed because I couldn't see many BWs on the map but I joined a club and have learned many great routes that are rideable without causing damage or upsetting anybody.
 
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nickp

New Member
The LBS sounds like i good idea, i know they have a road riding and a DH group so i suppose they may have a XC group.

As for the routes i wanted to take which are all footpaths, mostly across NT land what is the penalty if your caught riding on them?
 
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