We've got one very similar to the second link (probably the same one). it is very good. but even the best ones can fail if not treated correctly. I've had probably 10 pans in my lifetime, and lived with people who all insist on either scrubbing them or putting them in the dishwasher. My current ongoing argument is that my partner puts it in the dishwasher because it says "dishwasher safe" on it. This is slowly but surely ruining it. It only needs a hot wipe with oil and kitchen paper, before and after cooking if necessary.
I liken them to oil changes on cars - you can have the most expensive oil in the world but if you don't change it at the required intervals it will still degrade and cause problems
True words.
Mine has now got to the point where a quick wipe isn't always sufficient, I had to soak and hand wash it yesterday.
