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a.twiddler

a.twiddler

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The main benefit of a hub gear for recumbents and other small wheeled bikes is to be able to allow a high top gear without having to have a huge chainring. An awful lot of recumbents (trikes and bikes) do have small wheels so a greater percentage of them will have a hub gear of some sort. The ability to be able to change gear at a standstill is a sort of side effect of the design, though I've found it useful on my bikes.

The Rans Stratus XP has shown me that a straightforward 3 X 9 derailleur set up can work quite well as long as you bear in mind the need to anticipate gear changes a bit more than you would on an upright bike. It seems also that the small ring is used more than I would use the low ratio hub gear on the Linear, so I'm not too far off the right gear if I should end up stopping suddenly. We're not robots, and everyone ends up in the wrong gear some time, so the ability to downshift when stopped is the ultimate option if it's available.

Stopping and starting, it's all down to practice. It might seem odd, but you can reduce wobbliness by pedalling against a little rear brake as you come to a halt. The longer you can keep your feet on the pedals the better, even to a standstill, though it's hard to judge it all at first. It might be purely psychological, but its about feeling that you're in charge, rather than the bike. It probably feels at if it has a mind of its own at the moment.
 

Psamathe

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The main benefit of a hub gear for recumbents and other small wheeled bikes is to be able to allow a high top gear without having to have a huge chainring. An awful lot of recumbents (trikes and bikes) do have small wheels so a greater percentage of them will have a hub gear of some sort. The ability to be able to change gear at a standstill is a sort of side effect of the design, though I've found it useful on my bikes.

The Rans Stratus XP has shown me that a straightforward 3 X 9 derailleur set up can work quite well as long as you bear in mind the need to anticipate gear changes a bit more than you would on an upright bike. It seems also that the small ring is used more than I would use the low ratio hub gear on the Linear, so I'm not too far off the right gear if I should end up stopping suddenly. We're not robots, and everyone ends up in the wrong gear some time, so the ability to downshift when stopped is the ultimate option if it's available.

Stopping and starting, it's all down to practice. It might seem odd, but you can reduce wobbliness by pedalling against a little rear brake as you come to a halt. The longer you can keep your feet on the pedals the better, even to a standstill, though it's hard to judge it all at first. It might be purely psychological, but its about feeling that you're in charge, rather than the bike. It probably feels at if it has a mind of its own at the moment.
When I got my tadpole bent (new) I opted for danglies at the rear. Never had issues with starting stationary, maybe because I also have danglies on my upright and I'm used to them.

Every time I considered hub I talked to manufacturer and they were anti (despite offering it as a configuration option) and most negative is they said I won't get as low at granny end. But went through same loop again 2023 and talked to somebody who was positive about the idea, spent ages chatting about front options, got to lower granny than I have with danglies whilst staying in warranty range.

Very expensive but upgraded and love the hub gear. Fantastic, wish I'd upgraded earlier.

Ian
 

grldtnr

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When I got my tadpole bent (new) I opted for danglies at the rear. Never had issues with starting stationary, maybe because I also have danglies on my upright and I'm used to them.

Every time I considered hub I talked to manufacturer and they were anti (despite offering it as a configuration option) and most negative is they said I won't get as low at granny end. But went through same loop again 2023 and talked to somebody who was positive about the idea, spent ages chatting about front options, got to lower granny than I have with danglies whilst staying in warranty range.

Very expensive but upgraded and love the hub gear. Fantastic, wish I'd upgraded earlier.

Ian

I think best option is danglies and a hub, , my other trike also has that combo, albeit a Sachs/ SRAM one, with a 'granny' on the front, but quite why you'd want 42 gears?
I treat it as a low / high range, the smaller ring has to be manually thrown over ,I just grab the chain tube works just fine!
 

Psamathe

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My configuration is a Rohloff 14 rear and a GRX 2 x Chainset (46/30) front and 26" rear wheel on the front which gets my "granny" end down to the more recent Rohloff torque limit.

Brilliant configuration for loaded (camping) touring.

Ian
 
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a.twiddler

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I think best option is danglies and a hub, , my other trike also has that combo, albeit a Sachs/ SRAM one, with a 'granny' on the front, but quite why you'd want 42 gears?
I treat it as a low / high range, the smaller ring has to be manually thrown over ,I just grab the chain tube works just fine!

The Linear as bought came with a triple on the front but no changer. It had the potential for 63 gears with a greasy finger change, with a top gear of around 150". This sort of set up seemed accepted in the 90s for low volume bikes. When I did something about it, to fit a FD, I found a double was adequate, and took the big ring off as I certainly couldn't push that size gear. It makes my current 42 gears seem quite conservative. A wide range, with plenty of overlap. There are trikers out there with 80 + gears so it's obviously a thing. My other bikes have a 24 and a 27 but they have a good range too.
 
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a.twiddler

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20/6/25
Recumbent Ride
A Meander to the Shops on the Rans.


A forecast for heat today so no long ride planned. Cool enough this morning, so I nipped out to the shops on the Rans. A bit muggy, though, definitely T shirt weather today.

Right out of the gate, to Swanlow Lane and uphill without stopping, through a green light. Steadily onwards to the A54 roundabout. A bit of congestion here, but soon through and heading downhill to the town centre. Taking it easy, letting gravity do the work, I got to the cyclists advanced stop line to await the green at the town centre lights. Once rolling again I worked my way to the right hand lane and had another long wait at the filter lane before turning right. Then right at the next two roundabouts, into a car park to lock up at the usual barrier.

One of the car park chaps showed an interest in the bike and we talked for a bit. He spoke of his cycling experiences before buying the ebike which he now has.

In I went to collect my small shopping, then out again to take a longer way home.

Across the car park, left at the next two roundabouts, straight across the next lights and left on to a cycle path alongside the High St
High St Bike Path.JPG

to the town centre traffic lights. Right on to Grange Lane then before long on to the Sports complex car park, along the path between the playing fields to the exit barrier. As I was spinning up the lane on the other side an old couple coming down moved aside to let me pass and the woman said, “Keep going! You’re doing well!” I thanked them and carried on. I was noticing the heat a bit by the time I reached the top but turned uphill on to an estate road and continued. Left on to Delamere St.

Coming the other way was a road train consisting of a vintage steamroller towing a support trailer and an accommodation van with an accompanying tailback of cars.

I waved, the driver waved, and it passed by leaving an aroma of hot oil and coal smoke in its wake. I had my camera so took a photo in passing.
Steamroller 2.JPG


Steamroller 4.JPG

Since I had my camera out I stopped a bit further on and took some photos of the old Over Cross. There is a school nearby but previously it was the site of a market. The base is much bigger than the other, more ancient marker crosses in this part of Cheshire, and is only from around the 18th century.
Old Market Cross 1.JPG


Old Market Cross 2.JPG


Old Market Cross 3.JPG

The pyramidal base is large for a reason. On the side facing the school there is a blocked doorway which led into it, and it was reputedly used as a lockup for drunks and ne’er do wells which the market might attract. Apparently it could get quite rowdy.
Old Market Cross lock up.JPG

I carried on. Traffic was still noticeably quiet and I got across the A54 roundabout with no delays. On to Swanlow Lane, turning off to the right before the lights on Townfields Road to use a shady path I’d used previously.
Path shortcut 1.JPG

Across an estate road, along another path
Path shortcut 2.JPG

then a straight run downhill to a T junction to turn left. Some downhill and winding aboutery.

I was now on NCN 551 which I tend to take for granted. I said “Hi” to a couple of approaching pannier laden cyclists, and the first one (perhaps a little predictably) said, “That looks comfortable!” “It is!” I replied. They passed by, and soon I was at my back gate.

Distance 5.6 miles. Max Speed 25.5 mph. Average speed 8.1 mph. According to Garmin.
Ascent 135 ft. According to Bikehike.
 

grldtnr

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Spent a couple of days camping near Swaffham, took the trike as the roads in Suffolk/ Norfolk are generally quite in the lanes.
Also there's loads of off-road trucks to ride on, especially in the Thetford forest area with the Forestry commission fire road, and farm tracks, so yesterday's mission reach Swaffham with as little tarmac as possible, only I am on the Azub recumbent trike!
Turned out of camp, then I was shortly on a farm track ,bumpy dirt track very stony ,with deep sand in places, which given the single rear wheel drive makes things awkward, not a lot of traction, normally on a 'upwrong' stuff it in a low gear and spin like a dervish , speed is your friend, not so with a 'bent but on the other hand I do have inbuilt training wheels.
Some places, I had to resort to all wheel drive, push the front wheels as well as pedal , but soon got out of the bogged down sandy stretch, back onto a reasonable flinty section.
Eventually I made it to a road, I could take a right or go over and onto Cockley Cley where there's an abandoned Iceni village, which was run as a tourist attraction, except this was now an abandoned tourist attraction, I chose the off road, which was getting back to nature with bracken and ferns growing over the track, many dips and hollows, with the trike getting thrown around in all directions, I don't have suspension ,not do I want it, I think it's important to know what the bike is doing, ground clearance wasn't a problem, the vegetation was, but in the lowest of low gears, not having to worry at a stall speed balance point I battled on,the front wheels and the cross beam pushing the undergrowth out of the way, it got very dense, I pondered my life choices at this point, should I push on or turn back?
Gamely I pushed on brambles were making it more of a problem, I seriously hoped the puncture protection of the Schwable tyres would do their best ,untill I came to a barrier across the track, I could see the promise of a clearer way, so looked to get through, , which there was just to the left around the gate post, but soon came to a halt with the port side wheel in a overgrown hole, AWD was engaged and progress made, I was rewarded with a fast decent of a gravelly surface to surprise what was described as a 'hairy Japanese bastard' ,in reality it was a little muntjac deer , which skittered of into the crop field, I've been lucky to see larger species of deer whilst forest riding, but that was a semi wild herd, once i came across one on a bridleway s i rounded a bend both of us were startled, it was a big beast, which quickly ran off.
By now I had reached another tarmaced road , wanting to relive my bladder ,then aswage my thirst, one in one out,you might say ,a bit disappointed to see I had lost my bottle cage and flask, how it got lost ,I don't know, as it's mounted behind my shoulder, must have broken off but I was gasping a bit, normally one does came across a tap or a cattle trough, ,but out here was forestry land and no livestock.
It was a hot day and a bit of a grim loss, nothing for it but push on another estimated 5 miles to Swaffham.
I came to junction where I needed to turn right onto a permissive byway, I unlatched the gate pushed the bike through into the field, the paddock was very scrubby, the track petered out, but to my dismay n the shade was a herd of which I assumed we're cows, no worries I thought, they are inquisitive, so slowly pushed on, as I got closer it was apparent they were young Stirks ,oh bovver, not being a country lad, I was a bit worried, but it was ok , they kept the distance although clearly curious of what the this nutter on a bike was doing, all though it was a worry to see them in the mirror following me and getting closer.
I reached the other gate, which many may recognise as a very ramshackle affair held to gether with binder twine and ziplock ties, I unhitched the very weathered twine securely locking it , and hoped it would stay together as I pushed open , the post wobbling all over, this time it was more dense overgrowth, but spirits were up as I could see a forestry van use the farm track, so meant it was a firm surface, I couldn't ride through as it was quite thick , nettles too, as well as what I know and goats beard binder weed, with those little seed pods ,which we used to chuck at each over as kids, I recceded the way through, came back to the trike ,musing why i was bare legged the nettles had got me , I had to push the trike through, but i already had a bad dose of nettle rash.
With stinging shins, I remounted only to find an extremely sandy track, no option but to grind my way through very slowly ,untill I came to a grassy bit, which made it easier, thankfully of a water cannon that was spraying the field, I didn't have anything to catch to drink, but by the time it reached me it was a fine mist, whilst slowly grinding my way along a beast of a tractor hauling a trailer was coming the other way, I am guessing the driver was even more perplexed to see a recumbent trike on a farm track in the middle of nowhere, but exchanged greetings pleased to find I hadn't fat to go to reach the road for Swaffham , in the distance I could see the water twr marked on the map & Civilization!
Eventually a found a sealed road surface , not tarred, but much more ridable, picking up speed I descended to Swaffham , with a short hop into the town centre, the market cross gave shelter, but immediately to my left was a greasy spoon cafe, I dived in, like a scene from 'Ice cold in Alex', I ordered a mug of tea, which was sweeter than any nectar, I had made it,......was I going to do any more off road, I thought about it ,sod it ,no way ...I'm not Stoopid .

A decent adventure, with no Sat nav and just a OS map which was quite old , but this country out there doesn't change, I hadn't done no research, or asked about the saneness of what I was doing , which in retrospect was madness........but then are we not all a little 'radio rental' cycling these days.
 
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a.twiddler

a.twiddler

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Spent a couple of days camping near Swaffham, took the trike as the roads in Suffolk/ Norfolk are generally quite in the lanes.
Also there's loads of off-road trucks to ride on, especially in the Thetford forest area with the Forestry commission fire road, and farm tracks, so yesterday's mission reach Swaffham with as little tarmac as possible, only I am on the Azub recumbent trike!
Turned out of camp, then I was shortly on a farm track ,bumpy dirt track very stony ,with deep sand in places, which given the single rear wheel drive makes things awkward, not a lot of traction, normally on a 'upwrong' stuff it in a low gear and spin like a dervish , speed is your friend, not so with a 'bent but on the other hand I do have inbuilt training wheels.
Some places, I had to resort to all wheel drive, push the front wheels as well as pedal , but soon got out of the bogged down sandy stretch, back onto a reasonable flinty section.
Eventually I made it to a road, I could take a right or go over and onto Cockley Cley where there's an abandoned Iceni village, which was run as a tourist attraction, except this was now an abandoned tourist attraction, I chose the off road, which was getting back to nature with bracken and ferns growing over the track, many dips and hollows, with the trike getting thrown around in all directions, I don't have suspension ,not do I want it, I think it's important to know what the bike is doing, ground clearance wasn't a problem, the vegetation was, but in the lowest of low gears, not having to worry at a stall speed balance point I battled on,the front wheels and the cross beam pushing the undergrowth out of the way, it got very dense, I pondered my life choices at this point, should I push on or turn back?
Gamely I pushed on brambles were making it more of a problem, I seriously hoped the puncture protection of the Schwable tyres would do their best ,untill I came to a barrier across the track, I could see the promise of a clearer way, so looked to get through, , which there was just to the left around the gate post, but soon came to a halt with the port side wheel in a overgrown hole, AWD was engaged and progress made, I was rewarded with a fast decent of a gravelly surface to surprise what was described as a 'hairy Japanese bastard' ,in reality it was a little muntjac deer , which skittered of into the crop field, I've been lucky to see larger species of deer whilst forest riding, but that was a semi wild herd, once i came across one on a bridleway s i rounded a bend both of us were startled, it was a big beast, which quickly ran off.
By now I had reached another tarmaced road , wanting to relive my bladder ,then aswage my thirst, one in one out,you might say ,a bit disappointed to see I had lost my bottle cage and flask, how it got lost ,I don't know, as it's mounted behind my shoulder, must have broken off but I was gasping a bit, normally one does came across a tap or a cattle trough, ,but out here was forestry land and no livestock.
It was a hot day and a bit of a grim loss, nothing for it but push on another estimated 5 miles to Swaffham.
I came to junction where I needed to turn right onto a permissive byway, I unlatched the gate pushed the bike through into the field, the paddock was very scrubby, the track petered out, but to my dismay n the shade was a herd of which I assumed we're cows, no worries I thought, they are inquisitive, so slowly pushed on, as I got closer it was apparent they were young Stirks ,oh bovver, not being a country lad, I was a bit worried, but it was ok , they kept the distance although clearly curious of what the this nutter on a bike was doing, all though it was a worry to see them in the mirror following me and getting closer.
I reached the other gate, which many may recognise as a very ramshackle affair held to gether with binder twine and ziplock ties, I unhitched the very weathered twine securely locking it , and hoped it would stay together as I pushed open , the post wobbling all over, this time it was more dense overgrowth, but spirits were up as I could see a forestry van use the farm track, so meant it was a firm surface, I couldn't ride through as it was quite thick , nettles too, as well as what I know and goats beard binder weed, with those little seed pods ,which we used to chuck at each over as kids, I recceded the way through, came back to the trike ,musing why i was bare legged the nettles had got me , I had to push the trike through, but i already had a bad dose of nettle rash.
With stinging shins, I remounted only to find an extremely sandy track, no option but to grind my way through very slowly ,untill I came to a grassy bit, which made it easier, thankfully of a water cannon that was spraying the field, I didn't have anything to catch to drink, but by the time it reached me it was a fine mist, whilst slowly grinding my way along a beast of a tractor hauling a trailer was coming the other way, I am guessing the driver was even more perplexed to see a recumbent trike on a farm track in the middle of nowhere, but exchanged greetings pleased to find I hadn't fat to go to reach the road for Swaffham , in the distance I could see the water twr marked on the map & Civilization!
Eventually a found a sealed road surface , not tarred, but much more ridable, picking up speed I descended to Swaffham , with a short hop into the town centre, the market cross gave shelter, but immediately to my left was a greasy spoon cafe, I dived in, like a scene from 'Ice cold in Alex', I ordered a mug of tea, which was sweeter than any nectar, I had made it,......was I going to do any more off road, I thought about it ,sod it ,no way ...I'm not Stoopid .

A decent adventure, with no Sat nav and just a OS map which was quite old , but this country out there doesn't change, I hadn't done no research, or asked about the saneness of what I was doing , which in retrospect was madness........but then are we not all a little 'radio rental' cycling these days.

It seems that you are living the dream of what some call "underbiking" -that is, doing the sort of route that some would only tackle on a dedicated, fully suspended, specialised knobbly tyred bike or trike and just doing it anyway. Sometimes you end up doing it by accident, other times just "because it's there". It's very satisfying to get through somewhere like that, and just goes to show what you can do on a fairly road oriented machine. Before the advent of mountain bikes, gravel bikes etc it's what keen riders would do on "a bike".

I wasn't the only one who would do that sort of thing back then, and still like to do today, a bit less extreme usually and generally on a recumbent. On a Brompton here.
Montgomery Canal on a Brompton 2.jpg

There's a path in there somewhere!

Montgomery Canal on a Brompton 3.jpg

On the Spirit in the woods
Spirit in the Woods 2.JPG

Sometimes you end up getting back later than expected!
Misty Midnight Ride 2.jpg

Perhaps a bit tame compared to your experience.
Having that sort of adventure does wonders for bonding with your bike though.
 

grldtnr

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It seems that you are living the dream of what some call "underbiking" -that is, doing the sort of route that some would only tackle on a dedicated, fully suspended, specialised knobbly tyred bike or trike and just doing it anyway. Sometimes you end up doing it by accident, other times just "because it's there". It's very satisfying to get through somewhere like that, and just goes to show what you can do on a fairly road oriented machine. Before the advent of mountain bikes, gravel bikes etc it's what keen riders would do on "a bike".

I wasn't the only one who would do that sort of thing back then, and still like to do today, a bit less extreme usually and generally on a recumbent. On a Brompton here.
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There's a path in there somewhere!

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On the Spirit in the woods
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Sometimes you end up getting back later than expected!
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Perhaps a bit tame compared to your experience.
Having that sort of adventure does wonders for bonding with your bike though.

Never really thought about it, just went, my trike isn't designed to do that sort of stuff, but it is built strong enough to, there are higher ground clearance recumbents built with larger 26" wheels all round, fatter tyres, and for wimps electric motors, whilst I'd love to have an adventure trike ,I can't afford such fripperies, but for those who are not so able, just the thing to go out exploring.
One big advantage with my trike was a chain tube to keep the muck off the sand out of the chain, it stopped vegetation getting into the drive train as well.
The big worry I was having was to backtrack because of no way through, and perhaps getting a puncture , I had plenty of tubes and a repair kit, so not unduly worried about that, just disappointed I didn't cover a bigger mileage, but it isn't about that for me now, more the technicalities and munitae of riding, it's just as tiring riding of road as going faster and further.
I never intended to do the route , just ride out the fenland, but stayed on the brecks instead.
 
I think best option is danglies and a hub .......
I thought about a full danglies and hub setup with the last major gear upgrade on the bent trike.
But with 3 controls and only 1 hand, handlebar space got very limited trying to fit everything.
But why stop a 1hub when you can fit 2 .....
I treat my Rohloff as a 7 speed with with a 2.45x step down, twist grip takes up most of the vertical handle bar space.
Then the Schlumpf High Speed Drive is a 2.5x step up in the bottom bracket, so shifting is controlled by my heels.
Then the 38/55 front chain rings split the 2.5x step into a 3/4 gear split to line the overlaps up, plus it makes it easier to change between ranges as it either a 3 or 4 gear shift on the Rohloff vs a full 7 gear twist. The bar end shifter is fitted in to the bottom of the vertical section of the handle bar. I just reach down slightly to twist the shifter fully one way or the other to change rings.
This leave the top of the vertical section for a bar end used as a wrist rest + mirror.

I've actually gone slightly below what Rohloff recommend at 38/21 in the low range, but I'm not going going to jump on the pedals of a recumbent trike like you can on an upwrong bike.
Total gear range is just under 18x, 10"-178", but normally only use around half of it, 15"-130", on normal rides.
 
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