Reston Waste = Pathetic

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gaz

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
thomas said:
Well, I suppose in theory yes as Google don't know (or probably care) who actually did the bad SEO. It's probably better to have their site there still, with the video near by. Maybe link to their website from the video, just so Google knows that the two results are directly related.
i'll do that when i go home..
 
The video has gone, did anyone copy it? keepvid online is good.
 
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gaz

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
oh damn, i was going to download it last night, but didn't!

DjBailout said:
You obviously don't have anything better to do in your life but sit and watch YouTube all day. Sad really
I thought you might be out on your bike.
But no it's raining isn't it and you'll get wet.
It's been a real pleasure talking to you.
hahaha i guess he got spoken to by someone in his company.
 
I love the fact that DjBailout's "Favourites" is "Dora the Explorer"

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What maturity!
 
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gaz

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
Got a result. the owner sent me an e-mail earlier today asking for me to ring him.
I did and he said he was sorry, and after speaking to the driver who was also sorry and did explain that the road was a bad one for both cars and bikes. It's not clear at that junction which lane is to go where and we agreed that it was 6 of one half a dozen of other on road positioning, and that the lack of indication etc.. was just down to driver error. I've agreed to take down the video on his request, this shall be actioned later on.

He also mentioned the other employees who where posting videos and comments have been spoken to!

This is exactly the result i was after in the first place, it's just a shame it had to take this long and come from that direction.
 

downfader

extimus uero philosophus
Location
'ampsheeeer
Origamist said:
What about the wing mirror - that was a serious breach, IMO?

Well I'm sure a visit from HM H&S will deal with that in time (as with the windscreen). So theres no real need to worry as they make frequent visits.

I will say this however - if those using this road can contact the local authority to try and persuade them on making the road there easier to understand this may help avoid conflict or any kind of potential accident. :girl:
 

Origamist

Legendary Member
downfader said:
Well I'm sure a visit from HM H&S will deal with that in time (as with the windscreen). So theres no real need to worry as they make frequent visits.

The mirror issue should be addressed before a spot-check by the HSE or VOSA as it will be of scant consolation to anyone who has the misfortune to get hit in the interim by the vehicle. Hopefully, they have alredy rectified the issue.

Some might remember this case of a HGV without a nearside mirror:
http://www.personalinjury.ffw.com/personal-injury-news/ferguson-case---april-09.aspx
 

obelix1664

Senior Member
Location
Wilmington, Kent
I have just watched the video twice from Gaz's viewpoint and I also know that particular junction. Other than the fact from the video that the vehicles near side mirror appeared to have tape holding it together and out of position I couldn't see what the driver had done wrong.

In fact I would go so far as to say that lanes 1+2 at that junction allow you to go straight ahead, lanes 3+4 bear right.

The only person that seemed to be at fault would be the cyclist in front of Gaz and Gaz himself for poor road positioning.

If you have used this junction before Gaz, I am sure that you will have seen numerous vehicles take exactly the same route and if you had witnessed prior to this video that you thought the drivers standard of driving was not up to par, then maybe and if I had have been in your shoes, you should have hung back just to be safe.

And I know it's not much of a consolation but this particular vehicle by it's size is NOT an HGV, it's a 7.5t vehicle which your average bod with a car licence* can drive.

* Drivers who passed their car test prior to 1991.
 

Origamist

Legendary Member
obelix1664 said:
If you have used this junction before Gaz, I am sure that you will have seen numerous vehicles take exactly the same route and if you had witnessed prior to this video that you thought the drivers standard of driving was not up to par, then maybe and if I had have been in your shoes, you should have hung back just to be safe.

And I know it's not much of a consolation but this particular vehicle by it's size is NOT an HGV, it's a 7.5t vehicle which your average bod with a car licence* can drive.

* Drivers who passed their car test prior to 1991.

I don't think anyone has suggested on this thread that the Reston Waste vehicle was a HGV, or as they now prefer, LGV, but I guess it might be worth making the distinction from a driver training/licensing perspective.

As for lane positioning the junction with Grovesnor Place and Grovesnor Gardens is acutely difficult for cyclists. In the past, when I have used this route if I'm continuing along Grovesnor Place (A302) bearing right as Gaz is doing I try to get in the centre of lane 2 or 3 - depending on the traffic/phasing I either wait in line or filter forward. However, it can get hairy as vehicles in lane 2 can often want to bear right along Grovesnor Place and other vehicles in lane 3 often want to try to hang left into Grovesnor Gardens (B312). This means it can get swipetastic and the centre of the lane does not mean a great deal here as the lane markings disappear once you're through the box junction. This is another junction I prefer to avoid.

Hanging back behind a large vehicle is often the best course of action through a multi-lane junction.
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
Obelix, I have no idea why you would think what Gaz did was wrong. That simply doesn't make sense.

OTOH the driver of the Reston vehicle did several things wrong, IMO: No indicator to change from lane 2 to lane 1. No indicator to turn left off lane 1. Pushing through lane 1 when lane 1 isn't empty - i.e. no use of mirror and no negotiation. He used his vehicle's size and weight to intimidate his way through.

Gaz did hang back because there's very little arguing with a much larger heavy vehicle like this one, especially when the driver is not apparently looking and seems rather pushy at the most positive possible description.

The other cyclist could have done better from a best practice point of view, certainly, but didn't actually do wrong.
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
It's the driver turning left, Gaz is going straight on. There are four lanes, each with a straight on arrow in this streetview link. Gaz is simply wanting to continue in lane 1, the left most lane, whilst the Reston driver is trying to turn left. Gaz is not cutting across two lanes, that's the Reston driver doing that.

Those four lanes then continue along Grosvenor Pl as in this view.

Crikey Lee, I hope you pay more attention than this when you're driving.
 

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
User3143 said:
+1 As I said a few days ago, why would the driver need to give indication if he is going striaght on.

If Gaz and the other cyclist want to position themselves on the nearside of 4 lanes of traffic when they want to take the right fork 30 yards ahead of the junction they should have not have been where they were in the first place - piss poor positioning.


I've not looked at the video again to check you're right...but, even with piss poor positioning, the cyclist did (even if timidly) signal and you don't overtake someone who is signally right.
 
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